From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 12 6:23:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D02314E49 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617A5754B; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BF61D7F; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Schwartz Cc: Brett Glass , angussf@geoapps.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Judge: "Gates Was Main Culprit" In-Reply-To: <000001bf2cd1$0f989c70$021d85d1@youwant.to> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, David Schwartz wrote: : :> So? Most software companies aren't an OS monopoly using that position to :> force their non OS products down the throats of the world. : : Yes, Microsoft is a monpoly in the Alice-in-Wonderland world where Netscape :Navigator competes with Windows but Macintoshes don't. Reread the findings. Netscape does not compete with Windows, Netscape attempted to compete with IE, and M$ killed Netscape through the abuse of it's OS monopoly. :> The DoJ isn't :> using Joe Programmers email against microsoft, they're using Chairman :> Gates', and his cadre of president's and vice-president's mail against :> them. If they don't represent the reasons and motives behind M$, who the :> hell does? : : Really, no one. That's why, in general, the standard for evaluating the :reasons for a businesses' conduct are essentially that of the 'best possible :reason'. In other words, to conclude that an action was specifically taken :solely for an anticompetitive purpose, it generally must be established that :there's no other legitimate business purpose why the action could have been :taken. You're high. It doesn't matter if there are other accompanying reasons. Abuse of power is abuse of power. They crushed Netscape for no other reason than because Netscape didn't want to play in MS's sandbox. It's the same thing they attempted to do to Quicken years ago. MS has not changed, and will not change unless forced. They are getting their just deserts. The stuff coming out of the Caldera/DRI suit is just more showing of how MS either buys it's competition, or leverages it's power to make them irrelevant. That is in fact harmful to the indusrty and consumers. : Even individuals often explain their motivations inaccurately. This is why :we really don't have any 'pure intent' crimes, except perhaps for attempted :assassination. Fortunately, corporates are virtual entities whose mind exists on memos and peices of e-mail. There's no ambiguity in one executive telling another executive that they are going to kill the competition ('We need to smile when we pull the trigger' in ref. to Novell). Judge Jackson has determined that: 1) Microst has an Operating Systems Monopoly in the intel x86 based PC market. 2) They have used that monopoly to remove competition on the application level. 3) That's a violation of Sherman. This ain't rocket science. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message