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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:58:52 -0000 As a relative noob to SBCs running FreeBSD=E2=80=A6 Seems to me that there are well-supported SBCs (although dated) such as = Beagle Bone Black. As a consumer of this stuff, I=E2=80=99d welcome a short list of focused = SBCs where I could just pick one of them. Provided that there are at = least a couple of categories. My particular interest is in scaling down to serve in various embedded = automation roles. I=E2=80=99m currently using (with Linux as more = support for it only very recently appeared for FreeBSD) NanoPi NEO and = NanoPi NEO 2. Besides being decent devices they are also classified as = LTS. I=E2=80=99m going to be interested in even smaller devices like = https://www.crowdsupply.com/groboards/giant-board = . I=E2=80=99m not = hung up on any specific device, and would be more than willing to buy = whatever is well supported. I fully recognize that most people are interested in more powerful = devices. So maybe a primary device in each of 2-3 categories would be = optimal. The unfortunate truth is that most of these things come out of the box = with Linux support. Another truth is that a lot of the time they are = manufacturers minimal attempt. Sometimes things don=E2=80=99t work and = rarely do they get updated. So like Linux in general, there are pros and = cons. I mention this because I=E2=80=99d rather see a few devices with = really good support in FreeBSD rather than many devices with = partial/poor support. Thanks for reading (and thanks to those that are doing all this work to = support SBCs with FreeBSD).