From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 21:32:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 450B137B400 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1139 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 04:32:20 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 04:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:32:20 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lucky Green Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lucky Green wrote: > Depends on the user. My rc.conf has perhaps 15 lines and some of those > are simply there because the OpenSSH and bind ports in STABLE tend to > lag quite a bit behind the release and the port versions are installed > in different directories than the those that come with the default > FreeBSD distribution. Same here. But it is UTTERLY ABSURD that everything isn't installed as a package -- even those components in the base system, so they can be removed and replaced with, for example, the ports versions. I don't run BIND or Sendwhale^H^H^H^H^Hmail. I want the version of OpenSSH in the ports. And why the heck is OpenSSL in the system? It's extremely difficult to track -STABLE or -SECURITY and maintain a configuration used in a professional environment. I'm happy for hobbyists to do as they please, but this is another barrier to gaining acceptance for our favorite OS. The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports has usually been licensing issues. The trend toward including everything needs to STOP. We need less, not more, in the base system. If some items are deemed so useful that they should be included by default -- such as sendmail -- at least make them packages so that they can be removed, and include config variables so that they are not installed with 'world' rage away, M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message