From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Apr 16 13:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15760 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15549 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:16:01 GMT (envelope-from dwilde1@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-79-137.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.137]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA42340; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:15:11 GMT Message-ID: <353666B4.4EB212B9@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:14:44 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Woody Carey CC: Stefanos Kiakas , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promoting FreeBSD. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Woody Carey wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Stefanos Kiakas wrote: > gui sysadmin tools are a nice thing, for sure, though, for newbies and > more experience users alike. > I think a better first pass is to give users a ready-to-run out-of-the-box configuration with X-Windows set up for 640x480, and Mozilla, and Apache. Eivind Eklund gave me some hints towards doing this as a setup option during the install. GUI administration cuts to the heart of what BSD is all about, which is that everything is a text file, and any command can pipe to any other. It's better to provide a tutorial to Tcl/Tk/expect and show them how they can roll their own admin tools. If we try to be micros**t-like we will inevitably be compared to them, and they've got more cheap programmers and more PR money (!). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message