From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jul 9 16:27:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71DE37B40B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f69NQst08891; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: jkh@osd.bsdi.com, shannon@widomaker.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral In-Reply-To: <3B49F8D5.2C9BFA73@mindspring.com> References: <20010707002340.B16071@widomaker.com> <20010707004731V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <3B49F8D5.2C9BFA73@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010709162654L.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:26:54 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 48 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:32:53 -0700 > Except that he who controls the trademark is he who gets > to bless the distributions with its use -- or to deny its > use. Only if they chose to do so. I would like to think that the foundation is more enlightened than that, but you'll just have to trust them. > Historically, you've always held that the CDROM must boot > to sysinstall. As the software's daddy, I can see why > you'd want that; but your baby is ugly. I never said a "CDROM must boot to sysinstall" and I challenge you to find a quote to that effect. What both Nik and I said was that it must be an OPTION to do so, somehow, or you haven't provided a stock FreeBSD experience and people are potentially going to be confused as to what "FreeBSD" means. This holds especially true if you haven't provided source code to your wizzy installer and they have no way of figuring out how or why it's even misbehaving, which you can bet it will since nobody ever writes perfect software. I certainly don't see you answering questions on the freebsd-questions mailing list or you'd know that anything which creates confusion as to what a user is doing during the installation or general usage of FreeBSD only makes tech support that much more of a challenge. I'm not "defending sysinstall because it's my baby", I'm defending the right to have "FreeBSD" mean something as definitive as possible in the cradle-to-grave experience. If you want to write a much better installer and donate it so that we can make it the new default, so much the better and POLA will still be obeyed from a tech support perspective. And please, don't insult our intelligence by saying that tech support won't be an issue because you're going to putt a 1-800 number on your wizzy installer or something. People either won't call it or won't notice it, but they will go to www.freebsd.org and they'll eventually find their way onto IRC or the various mailing lists and ask why the pulsating red button never does the right thing when they push it. You, of course, will be nowhere to be found there and everyone else will be looking around and shaking their heads at this crazy person who's just wandered into the forum talking about a button that, from their perspective, doesn't exist. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message