From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Sep 1 23: 4: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F96937B424 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13V6Uc-0000Dd-00; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:09:30 -0600 Message-ID: <39B0999A.BB04EC80@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:09:30 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Bill Fumerola , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: build tools as separate distribution References: <88176.967669502@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > As one of the original perpetrators and in fact the one who laid > > the foundations of sysinstall and "make release" where they lie to > > Hmmm. Some historical liberties are being taken here since, actually, > I believe Rod Grimes deserves a good deal of this title - he's the one > who wrote much of the beginnings of what we now call release/Makefile > today. > > Also, let's not forget Gary Palmer, who wrote a number of the config > screens for sysinstall, he and I handling the "UI side" of sysinstall > with most of my solo hacking being aimed at the menu infrastructure, > device handling, etc. > > Unless I miss my guess, your guilt in this affair lies primarily with > libdisk, another abstraction in dire need of a rewrite*. :-) > > Nonetheless, no matter how many weighty software development tomes one > quotes, the fact remains: Sysinstall is NOT extensible, easily > scriptable (I know, I wrote that bit too) or well suited for doing > mass-production of FreeBSD boxes in a hardware vendor environment. This is an interesting point. The OpenBSD install pretty much sucks from a newbie viewpoint, but when you're installing 20 identical systems and have a programmer handy, it's shocking how easy it is to create a custom boot disk that just DTRT, dragging the bits off your friendly neighborhood FTP server. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message