From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 14 17:39:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD15116A41B for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBAE13C45D for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (1w158508u7ou3ix9@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l7EHdVb3023446; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.6/8.13.3/Submit) id l7EHdVGP023445; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:39:30 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20070814173930.GC99491@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , Jona Joachim , freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <46B14894.8060408@tpnet.co.nz> <20070802235154.3d518c3d@localhost> <20070802234658.GB2842@soaustin.net> <20070803150030.01f4d545@spaceman.my.domain> <20070804004107.GJ1262@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070804004107.GJ1262@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim Subject: Re: Atheros Open Hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:39:32 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote this message on Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 10:41 +1000: > On 2007-Aug-03 15:00:30 +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > >On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:46:58 -0500 > >linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:51:54PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > >> > Quoting from > >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/people.html: > >> > "In order to develop FreeBSD, committers must have the ability to > >> > openly discuss matters that will be resolved before they are > >> > publicly announced. Frank discussions of work in progress are not > >> > suitable for open publication and may harm FreeBSD." > ... > >I reread the sentence twice to make sure I don't change its meaning > >by putting it out of context. > > However you didn't mention the final paragraph regarding the > -developers list which makes it clear that -developers is _not_ > intended to hide general discussions from the general FreeBSD > community. There's a lot that wasn't quoted: Examples are Core voting, announcements, etc. This list is not intended as a place for code reviews or a replacement for the FreeBSD architecture and design mailing list or the FreeBSD source code audit mailing list. In fact using it as such hurts the FreeBSD Project as it gives a sense of a closed list where general decisions affecting all of the FreeBSD using community are made without being "open". And that last one clearly states that what was accussed should not happen... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."