From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 13 19:07:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2A93A9A2F for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BSGK959Rpz3Rxv for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id a5so8347813ioa.13 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Y4Hna0Hw1PsRoKfDv9pNQ0yVVzNeinJ2PMGfAXnp7DE=; b=X1xaqgCSzVp6iuuf93k7uMzVFrxzkM7lwHWePtYK9yS7idam7KGxvEuaqK9B8neiZ6 seoTfkeQwK3npbwlWnbb5UziSeKhcgrHYV1QMFUxYysNh1aNmoLnJcyZyz6oY/8F6Xo7 MGzpNC5rjTf42iiZj/uM2Z2uEpcDVpaFeS5GNRvhqosTmtjPFrP5Yxfdf/u0Ii2ymrY+ f8yNwmiGfSol+sLkOOLF7t2u+hYqyw1VTK2Ysh8Uv7boXbF9gpCZr4qv/cblS8xBBAB1 rX/cPWUx075pJejIQqpv/z07ff3F2bAKdJezuOi1rcR/0acbXC/oISGKd2PG4tLAK4cN SeZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Y4Hna0Hw1PsRoKfDv9pNQ0yVVzNeinJ2PMGfAXnp7DE=; b=TPmIbtuFFVqPjfROpLAhsrv5E//FMTTFS0MbptezVZeJsMc0WYDH+32dEDOCJuVemi 41t58VKVH/XTu4rUTf35nKfyrABNm4jtbM843ROtETSQpQvqsXKV10ZGWvDubLa123mm R4njMyI4iV4tG8cjJlj+gNFFVk4pZVCf7hXGNTUCohJCvNka1behmRpMZQ8ytiemst3P oXJ0l0CJrXkRURdEDkFi0ejkQZWd4yiM5VlT5K5iNZp5za0VaJIEOe7IOZpET124CmmM LqufVBGHyrQj5GcCUZFSa99LKXQt32CM8l5ikahrtZlql0UEHS/OKxCqNwdn8c5c1P+V JdXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306K2kQGgGmJRdDF8cZGWFpkVVZFvEO7L80HkGfc2gaNRE91Zuf n9AAf3E1BfNWb+Es0evxKwKg5ZXf7fP+VpWOr2M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxnilL9tR8d9GujZ3bC/nKOxZ6Fwj4mOksmv9Oq1AgWeCpBiZW9rvY3W5e6DBrfIS+2t/Q4LPSegP+Zlx0dnxU= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:900b:: with SMTP id s11mr6082288iod.83.1597345628563; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end To: "Jack L." Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BSGK959Rpz3Rxv X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=X1xaqgCS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.504]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:07:10 -0000 On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:04 PM Jack L. wrote: > Just change the ssh/rdp ports? > > All ports except 80 and 25 are firewalled > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:59 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > > > Forgot to ask how common is such idiocy? And is it becoming more common? > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Aryeh Friedman > > > wrote: > > > > > The hosting company for one of our clients sent the following reply to > > > us/them when we asked them to setup end user accounts on a dedicated > > > Windows Server, FreeBSD box and CentOS box (all VM's on the same > physical > > > machine with no other VM's on the physical machine) and being told we > > > needed scriptable access (not web based non-scriptable) to the windows > > > desktop and shell accounts (including the ability to sudo) and they > agreed > > > to provide it: > > > > > > "[Insert client name here], we do not allow RDP or SSH into our > > > datacenter. They are the primary vehicles for ransomware and > cryptolocker > > > breaches. We utilize a secure access portal with multi-factor > > > authentication to ensure you don't get breached." > > > > > > I kind of understand RDP (but we have had bad luck with VNC on the same > > > hosting provider in the past so we prefer RDP), but SSH!?!?!?!?! > Their > > > idea of a "two factor" authentication is each connection will only be > > > allowed via a web portal and must use a one-time password sent the > users > > > smartphone. Not only does this make automated deploy impossible it is > a > > > complete show stopper since our service is IoT and uses its own custom > > > protocol. > > > > > > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*t > > > (the client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause > with > > > them which would be over $100k to break) > > > > > > -- > > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org