From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 09:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836C116A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx.toxahost.ru (ns.toxahost.ru [62.89.204.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262F743D2D for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:25:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toxa@toxahost.ru) Received: from localhost (laptoxa.toxa.lan [192.168.1.3]) by mx.toxahost.ru (Toxa) with ESMTP id 3E6A44C for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:25:13 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:25:01 +0400 From: Toxa To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Comment-To: "Anton A. Karpov" Message-ID: <20050429092501.GB43752@laptoxa.toxa.lan> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <426FDE69.8090909@samsco.org> <426FE1EA.7020900@kutulu.org> <20050428105348.GA8056@laptoxa.toxa.lan> <4270CC84.8060904@centtech.com> <20050429010318.GB17799@laptoxa.toxa.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Outluck Express 1.5.6i for MS-DOS 6.22-SMP X-Mailer: See User-Agent above :) X-Operating-System: MS-DOS 6.22-CURRENT on Sony VAIO laptop X-PGP-Public-Key: http://toxahost.ru/gpg/pubkey.asc X-Useless-Header: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:25:14 -0000 On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 08:17:30PM -0500, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > I think you're mistaking convenience for bloat...someone mentioned > the old redhat boot process earlier, and I can agree with them, that > that was, convenient, easy to read, and in no way seemed to add any > bloat to the ASCII output. > > Now, a pretty image, a la FreeSBIE, _is_ bloat, but I don't think > that's what is being mentioned or suggested here. > > Toxa, you make Window Managers, and a lot of GUI apps that make > things like, using MacOS X sound terribly bloated, don't discount > aesthetics right off the bat, they're not always "evil bloat" > I'm afraid of tendency. A little this, a little that, and at the end of it we'll get pretty nifty OS full of "cool but really unnecessary" features :-)