From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 29 13:32:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9EA37B41B for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1cust144.tnt1.davis.ca.da.uu.net ([63.61.44.144] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KR5c-0002Yk-00; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:32:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C2E3837.3020907@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:40:07 -0800 From: tipaporiello Reply-To: tipapori@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Teaching parents UNIX References: <02eb01c1902e$69629bd0$fe00a8c0@wskatinka> <20011229122459.GE3776@raggedclown.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020701090001070404090402" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------020701090001070404090402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cliff Sarginson wrote: >On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 02:02:29PM +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jeffrey" >> >>>So while I really don't care if a person defragments their disk, repairs >>>broken software, uninstalls old software or even updates their drivers. I >>>do care that they are not maintaining their machine to at least the point >>>that they are not attacking one of my servers. >>> >>Thi sis one of my pet gripes, I think that AV software should be free, as it >>is fine and dandy for the people with the money to buy it and protect their >>system, but the people who can not afford it, unknowingly get infected and >>spread it to the rest of the world, so what some ppl say, I would rather >>have an AV software that has one hit per day than the current 30 hits I am >>experiencing, and most of the viri are coming from ppl who either can not >>afford the fees to get the defs or do not know how to...... Maybe we should >>insist ppl pass a basic computer course before going on the internet ? ;o) >> >There are a couple of points here. >One since Microsoft software is almost single-handedly responsible for >the spread of viruses across the globe, which as pointed out above, does >affect all public services even if they use non-ms software, then >Microsoft should be responsible enough to give all users of their OS'es >a lifetime subscription gratis to an anti-viral service. > >That will not happen. > >Solution 2. People should accept the expense of buying an anti-viral >agent as being necessary to the safe-keeping of the Internet. What >happens is that many ISP's give out anti-viral software as part of the >deal on a 6 month license, and then people never bother to re-new >their subscription. > >Solution 3. ISP's should be held responsible for any of their users who >spread viruses through non-use of anti-viral agents. They should either >make it a condition of service, or themselves run a gratis anti-viral >service. > >This is called social-responsibility. Running MS software without active >anti-viral checking is the technoglogical equivalent of having sex with >strangers without using a condom. > > I believe we can imagine much more than this. Do you? Social responsibility also includes not blaming others. I think this is something our Parents taught us. -- Timothy Paporiello mailto:tipapori@earthlink.net --------------020701090001070404090402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Cliff Sarginson wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 02:02:29PM +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey" <jeffrey@azstarnet.com>

So while I really don't care if a person defragments their disk, repairs
broken software, uninstalls old software or even updates their drivers.  I
do care that they are not maintaining their machine to at least the point
that they are not attacking one of my servers.
Thi sis one of my pet gripes, I think that AV software should be free, as it
is fine and dandy for the people with the money to buy it and protect their
system, but the people who can not afford it, unknowingly get infected and
spread it to the rest of the world, so what some ppl say, I would rather
have an AV software that has one hit per day than the current 30 hits I am
experiencing, and most of the viri are coming from ppl who either can not
afford the fees to get the defs or do not know how to......  Maybe we should
insist ppl pass a basic computer course before going on the internet ? ;o)

There are a couple of points here.
One since Microsoft software is almost single-handedly responsible for
the spread of viruses across the globe, which as pointed out above, does
affect all public services even if they use non-ms software, then
Microsoft should be responsible enough to give all users of their OS'es
a lifetime subscription gratis to an anti-viral service.

That will not happen.

Solution 2. People should accept the expense of buying an anti-viral
agent as being necessary to the safe-keeping of the Internet. What
happens is that many ISP's give out anti-viral software as part of the
deal on a 6 month license, and then people never bother to re-new
their subscription.

Solution 3. ISP's should be held responsible for any of their users who
spread viruses through non-use of anti-viral agents. They should either
make it a condition of service, or themselves run a gratis anti-viral
ser
vice.

This is called social-responsibility. Running MS software without active
anti-viral checking is the technoglogical equivalent of having sex with
strangers without using a condom.


I believe we can imagine much more than this.  Do you?  Social responsibility also includes not blaming others.  I think this is something our Parents taught us.

--
Timothy Paporiello
mailto:tipapori@earthlink.net


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