From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 29 02:32:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B93E1B3B1 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com", Issuer "dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAB926F216 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:57618] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 8E/0E-31699-F32D4A95; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:32:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:32:08 +0000 Message-ID: <8E.0E.31699.F32D4A95@dnvrco-omsmta03> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd under windows 10 References: <59A447DA.3070908@gmail.com> <20170828201328.6bca6d11.freebsd@edvax.de> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:32:39 -0000 from Polytropon: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:42:02 -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > > The Microsoft September Windows 10 update is providing a method for > > installing Unix flavored operating systems [IE: Linux, Ubuntu, SUSE and > > Fedora] under windows 10. > > Read the end of this story for details at this link > > https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ubuntu-linux-available-in-windows-10-store/ > > What is Freebsd doing to join the group? > Probably nothing. It's not good to join any group just because > it does exist. ;-) > Actually, you can understand the "Windows Subsystem for Linux" > like FreeBSD's Linux ABI, or like what wine is providing to > run "Windows" programs on FreeBSD and Linux: You can install > Linux OS components and additional applications and run them > on "Windows", just as you can run a "Windows" program on FreeBSD > using wine. As far as I understand, you do not run the Linux > kernel (read: Linux itself), instead the WSL presents Linux-like > kernel interfaces and library calls for the applications executed. > That's why the possible assumption of "running one OS inside > another OS" is not valid here. The support is limited to a specific > subset of GNU/Linux operating system distributions. You do not > install Linux under "Windows", nor can you install FreeBSD under > "Windows". Except for virtualization, you cannot install and run > an operating system under "Windows". > You can find more about the nature of WSL here: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux > As you can conclude, FreeBSD uses a different kernel and system > library than Linux, so MICROS~1 would have to implement them > completely differently, maybe as WSF. ;-) > In my opinion, this is a nice approach to add normal computer > functionalities to the "Windows" environment which lacks them. > Until now, the common solution was install Cygwin, but with the > ongoing "rising of the walls" a solution native to the "Windows > Store" where people can rent software for the computer they > cannot control anymore. :-) This thread inspires me to ask, for comparison, about running Linux or Linux programs under FreeBSD, with an actual Linux installation mounted on /compat/linux . I have an old Slackware 13.0 from 2009, kernel 2.6.29.6, on an IDE hard drive in a Sabrent enclosure with USB 2.0 interface. But I would really want to use on something newer and not Slackware. Tom