From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 06:16:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047EE106566B; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avleen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E7C8FC08; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so19393193lbo.13 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rbPWfH79jpvMn/X91GQdMolE2GN/10nec8RLCcoEfhI=; b=oE1jjjivmDqQMfMUjMhe5Fwta/9zMdhzDA0CIaMsRXntZQEZzKRWKrQdVfxx1D2kfy M16ZwtU9yzmVARGLVyURPepzeLxNcE7C9Mt+8YJNJ6hKzdkU6cAF37El6KaJV4F+7oOG sbwqRZk68ZgT+a57hEC/UmQWMHZisvPjgstdCFV3C/PhfXF9t+qjik/ai+puvZoMSUaL UFax0hR8c6S0DwBmwK9IRHDpInpylCekjMfDHHrINkE9EqHcLEq+8/nbtscoUoBX3uBh wTIYRiU0abKNeNDG2nFRL3kQESo+Mg3Eeea4qTmbGDH3Cwjkt/DQRPJ/xAf0WlBJADhw Oo+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.48.37 with SMTP id i5mr38927371lan.36.1341814564128; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.76.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Avleen Vig To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:38:50 +0000 Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Garrett Wollman , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:16:06 -0000 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 07/08/2012 22:43, Avleen Vig wrote: >> It would be silly not to keep bind-tools in base. > > Sounds easy, but not so much in practice. Keeping any of the code > doesn't solve the problem of the release cycles not syncing up. And for > the vast majority of users needs the tools we will import will be more > than adequate. The question I keep asking myself is: "Is this best for the users?" I can't convince myself that it is, at the moment. While I completely agree with you reasons, and I do think that in an ideal way they'd be good, I'm just not sure they are the best thing to do for users. Linux has `nscd` which is a nice caching resolver, but most distributions still carry bind-tools in the default install. Enough people expect the tools to be there, that getting rid of them for almost any reason seems like a bad idea for low benefit. I could care less about the resolver daemon itself, I agree with what you're saying and I don't think most end users will care about that. But getting rid of dig and host in base would be bad.