From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Apr 11 22:48:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D82327DF46 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49095V758Vz4Dhn; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03BMm7MU027476 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03BMm7s5027475; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:07 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Enji Cooper Cc: John-Mark Gurney , Kyle Evans , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <20200411224807.GA27470@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu References: <20200410061248.GK4213@funkthat.com> <20200411004620.GL4213@funkthat.com> <7E83538A-9360-4B0D-9190-6E3A675C53DD@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7E83538A-9360-4B0D-9190-6E3A675C53DD@gmail.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49095V758Vz4Dhn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=washington.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.95.76.21) smtp.mailfrom=sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[washington.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 128.95.0.0/16(-0.26), asn: 73(-0.82), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:73, ipnet:128.95.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:48:16 -0000 On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 02:32:36PM -0700, Enji Cooper wrote: > > Given that the only other base system shell option is csh, I opt out of both and always install bash (I haven’t quite jumped on the zsh train yet). > Thanks, tcsh != csh -- Steve