From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jun 14 9: 3:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gate.ldn.wdr.com (gate.ldn.wdr.com [193.82.179.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9E514E25 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Clem.Dye@wdr.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gate.ldn.wdr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06138; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:42 +0100 (BST) From: Clem.Dye@wdr.com Received: from inside(192.168.0.1) by gate via smap (V2.0) id xma006041; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:21 +0100 Received: from ln4p1129.ldn.swissbank.com (ln4p1129.ldn.swissbank.com [172.16.234.32]) by ln4p1013pos.ldn.swissbank.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19226; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ln4p1129.ldn.swissbank.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6/WDR alpha evision: 1.7 $) with SMTP id RAA28382; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:19 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:05 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: RE: RE: RE: Booting FreeBSD with Win NT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdodson@beowulf.utmb.edu, Clem.Dye@wdr.com Cc: as_hombert@ibm.net, Questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Processed-By: BrianWare hpomsmf V2.3.40, 19 May 1999 X-WDR-Disclaimer: Version $Revision: 1.13 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Agreed. I wasn't planning to start a flame war - that's totally unproductive and certainly not my intention. Apologies if I gave that impression. Having researched what was available (including the assembler patch etc.), it didn't seem worthwhile to fully discuss the NT boot loader's capabilities - with hindsight, that may have been more useful in qualifying my statements. As a FreeBSD newbie, I based my comments on what I understood and what I could actually get working, using 3.1. Your post mentions 3.2, hence my suggestion for clarity. If you're comfortable with FreeBSD, then the bits in your mail are indeed sufficient. However, for us newbies, sometimes spelling things out helps enormously. Regards Clem -----Original Message----- From: bdodson Sent: 14 June 1999 16:09 To: Dye, Clem Cc: bdodson; as.hombert; Questions Subject: RE: RE: Booting FreeBSD with Win NT Clem.Dye@wdr.com writes: > No, not 'wrongo'. Based on my experiences and other people's previous > comments about NT/FreeBSD dual-boot, I arrived at a working > configuration. That it's seemingly possible to use the NT boot loader > to boot FreeBSD from a disk other than the first (regardless of > controller order) without too much kludging around is indeed welcome > news. The FreeBSD documentation is clear on what can & can't be done, > but would now seem to be incomplete. Might I suggest that you fully > document your solution so that other users can benefit? > What more docs do you want? I gave the contents of all pertinent text files and my hardware configuration. If you want to submit a send-pr to update the docs to be more complete, be my guest. Or, preferably, someone with access to a range of hardware could determine how general the described solution really is (in the FBSD way of doing things this should happen before it goes into the general docs). For one thing, the way I described doing things depends on using a version of FBSD with the "new" 3-stage boot system. And that was my reason for pointing out that your statement was, ummm...., "incomplete in its scope" (see below). This is not worth a flame war, by the way. > > Clem > > -----Original Message----- > From: bdodson > Sent: 14 June 1999 15:12 > To: Dye, Clem > Cc: bdodson; as.hombert; Questions > Subject: RE: Booting FreeBSD with Win NT > > > [elided] > Clem.Dye@wdr.com writes: > > It does work, but you'll have to re-jig your configuration. This is the "wrongo" part: > FreeBSD ------- > > has to reside somewhere on the first drive in order for you ----------------------------------------------------------- to be ----- > > able to use the NT loader. My test box currently has ------------------------- > > NT4/NT5/DOS/FreeBSD 3.1 all driven from the NT loader. I have a > small > > DOS partition on the first drive, the remainder being given over > to > > FreeBSD. NT4/5 resides on my second drive. > > This part is also not correct, but then you did not make a definitive statement. > > The problem is/seems that the NT boot loader will only boot non-M$ > > o/ses from the first drive on a multi-disk system. > > A more correct way to say it might be that the NT boot loader must boot an executable file which resides on the first drive on a multi-disk system. This can be a boot loader (and, in the NT way of doing things, _should_ be a boot loader), and whether or not a non-Microsoft OS can be booted on a drive other than the first depends on the capability of that boot loader. By the way, the new 3-stage boot is _much_ more flexible in doing this sort of thing (which is part of the reason it was written). The 2.2.x boot loader can be coerced into working, but you have to patch the boot loader assembler source and recompile it. Not at all a general solution to be presented in the general documentation or on this list. And, in any case, I've long since forgotten the details. > > The details detailed in the handbook are correct if you use a disk > > layout similar to that which I describe above. > > No doubt. > > HTH. > > > > > > Clem > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: as.hombert > > Sent: 13 June 1999 09:00 > > To: Questions > > Cc: as.hombert > > Subject: Booting FreeBSD with Win NT > > > > [more stuff elided] -- M. L. Dodson bdodson@scms.utmb.edu 409-772-2178 FAX: 409-772-1790 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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