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Date:      Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:00:34 -0400
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls
Message-ID:  <E0588F69-5836-4455-8B4F-4876332715B5@bsdimp.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVfrM9SnqRU-g=L6Y39GM2yEd%2Bt6=UFhggauu0s3HJvpYw@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <C88CB169-12FE-4692-92AA-5C7D41BB61DF@FreeBSD.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <CAG=rPVd93Q18aYnSGSf_QH4C08RCq5wsdKQSNYTgWQ2huTbUHQ@mail.gmail.com> <20150614002640.GA2746@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CAG=rPVfrM9SnqRU-g=L6Y39GM2yEd%2Bt6=UFhggauu0s3HJvpYw@mail.gmail.com>

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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Steve Kargl =
<sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 05:13:31PM -0700, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> >
> > For people who are trying to build FreeBSD-based embedded products =
with
> > modern web UI's,
> > this is *really* useful.
> >
>=20
> Given the bloat caused by libxo, which I showed in March,
> I don't see how people working on embedded products could
> be thrilled with this.
>=20
> Steve,
>=20
> For people building embedded products these days,
> storage of gigabytes and even terabytes is often available,

Often, but not always. The bloat is another issue with libxo. It=E2=80=99s=
 a problem
for the embedded routers that Adrian has been pushing. It is a problem =
with
many of the embedded boards I have. It isn=E2=80=99t too big of a =
problem with RPi
and the like because SD cards are a lot easier to upgrade than chip-down
NAND Flash parts.

> so the space increase that libxo provides is not that big a problem,
> at least for the last few products that I have worked on in the past =
few years.

You are working on fairly big embedded.

Warner


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