From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 02:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E349637B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 02:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (thalia.otenet.gr [195.170.0.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD80443F75 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 02:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b189.otenet.gr [212.205.244.197]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h399DUmP012959; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:13:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h399DTUi095229; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:13:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3992r3U085497; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:02:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:02:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas X-X-Sender: giorgos@gothmog To: Fabio Miranda Hamburger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030409115811.U45138@gothmog> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apm X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:13:38 -0000 On 2003-04-08 14:57, Fabio Miranda Hamburger wrote: > > > Yes, complaint in mailing list about FreeBSD lack of hardware and new > > > feature support is "being a troll" or "lame". > > > > Ignoring the answers you get and constructing straw men and in general > > whining about things that aren't true is being a troll. You're doing > > all of those things. > > When there are hardware problems with FreeBSD that doesnt mean "freebsd is > hard to use", It means the Proyect is incompetent and is not organized. This is a logical fallacy, that fails to acknowledge the rest of the possibilities that exist: * There's a problem with the hardware parts in question. * The hardware vendor is keeping information 'hidden' behind restrictive licenses that FreeBSD developers don't have access to. and so forth... The world isn't black and white only. > Take a stadistical information about questions list on freebsd.org and > most of the questions are hardware related problems. What do the statistics say about problems that are reported and fixed? > FreeBSD doesnt see that as a 'weakness' cuz they are el1t3 at kernel > stuff. Sorry, this does not follow. What you quoted until now doesn't prove anything like this. - Giorgos