From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Jan 10 5: 4:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BEF37B401 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9C143F6B for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB84297; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:04:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5E8222FDD4B; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:03:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:03:58 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Duncan Anker Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Daniel Goepp , Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail Message-ID: <20030110130358.GN1196@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Duncan Anker , FreeBSD Questions , Daniel Goepp , Lowell Gilbert References: <20030105134445.H96646-100000@dean.goepp.net> <447kdiz6f1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1041897164.11871.21.camel@duncan.au.darkbluesea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1041897164.11871.21.camel@duncan.au.darkbluesea.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # d.anker@au.darkbluesea.com / 2003-01-07 09:52:44 +1000: > On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 00:42, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Daniel Goepp writes: > > > > > So mx1.freebsd.org itself runs Postfix, but yet, sendmail is still so > > > embedded in FreeBSD that it's almost imposible to get cleaned out. When > > > are they going to make the FreeBSD install configurable enough to not have > > > to include sendmail, bind, openssl, etc? I choose to either install these > > > apps as ports, or not at all. > > > > > > Is there a way to break down the install, and just get a bare bare bare > > > bones install of just base, crypto and man pages, like the install says > > > it's going to do? I can't imagine this would be too hard to do! > > > > Then do it. If it works, I doubt there will be much trouble getting > > it accepted into the system. > > um ... what's wrong with doing this in /etc/make.conf? > > NO_BIND = true > NO_OPENSSL = true > NO_SENDMAIL = true > > and so on. > > Seems to be exactly what you want to do No it's not. The issue is more complex: Sendmail + DJB's dnscache + nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf + default means of starting up the software = broken system: 1) Sendmail gets started (/etc/rc.sendmail) 2) Sendmail looks up it's name (queries 127.0.0.1:53) 3) Sendmail gets upset 4) dnscache gets started (/usr/local/etc/rc.d/000.svscan.sh) 5) too late -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message