From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 9 02:59:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45F3106566C for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 02:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625198FC08 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 02:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iayy25 with SMTP id y25so959243iay.13 for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=ucwQouL+YimbxjFiAgtPgpplZt6TRonR+j8t9Wpz2lo=; b=Wd+TADmZs4WO7sK8yT/JmgzCYpePMx9mjrBlvasAg/E8DmDYlR5ljEmCfZ/2S6VUJM jqdDxHV/w+0PpWI2eweR7xHgVOn3v2l1ZGwTHmQ/GsW1j8UlQyu1nA1JgH26sfntkrpm qSHGo6ielhSlkLXBL9RK79UJWOC3HzHG8WiMfmUhDqj5QNcRHJ6A+tan2EgpOJxOztON qzV8SZE69k+PlKpy+Z1FpYFip7KbyGvepVxvSVT5Sb3xSMtUyjx5tye7x/1hgqajeA9/ iYIHuNzEAk7beu/yDByUL9DD/t3jx2d5EcJr2+c1S7Ek1vpbsQSP25rMr3hmp0IY65fr qDng== Received: by 10.50.168.106 with SMTP id zv10mr4041168igb.13.1347159558985; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.12.167] (rrcs-98-100-103-4.central.biz.rr.com. [98.100.103.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in10sm9374478igc.14.2012.09.08.19.59.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 21:59:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <42D7F0F3-46EC-484A-8665-626AD5D0404E@bsdimp.com> References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> To: Eitan Adler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl9ZjXI+2nEH8fVxxziVkkRwfZaZDq5n56ayoyhz78xHjg6c+Ia6tFshIkEGsi7dgOcSwN8 Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:59:19 -0000 On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 8 September 2012 19:46, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> On 2012-Sep-08 18:09:55 -0400, Eitan Adler = wrote: >>> As such I propose that we treat CVS as deprecated in 9.x and remove >>> CVS from HEAD [0]. >>=20 >> peter@ hinted at this in >> = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-August/069251.html >> and this lead to a subthread where jhb@ and Julian H. Stacey = disagreed >> whilst I agreed and further suggested that RCS also be removed. >>=20 >> As I said before: CVS (and RCS) are both GPL-licensed tools that (as >> of 10.x) no longer serve any purpose in the base system. ... They = are >> [therefore] not needed in the FreeBSD base. >=20 > RCS is on my list of things to look at, but can I ask that this > conversation be limited only to CVS? Its easier to work one tool at a > time. I think it is a mistake to actively remove these at this time, for = reasons that jhb@, et al, have discussed at length: These are useful = tools, traditionally installed. The space savings in negligible and = there's already a knob for turning them off. The project's source distribution system changes aren't a valid reason = to change things at this time. Warner