From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 23:25:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C851106564A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1008FC19 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so2150944obc.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2LlXH6HhdD+Ud/mlJaS+jSrOTTs+y7/9wYlyNGDeTsk=; b=q2TWrr4rUO+ekymeB6JAWTVKJlXhFzP02qK0rp0XvqfkE/8lGqaHHDkXa7g17Z168o QC/JrOqV9nBCpfzOPM+XV2fVH+dWxWJklnh+u9AjrG481Atpxa0pbsFQ0MWSq4OKI1lj l6VP5tsq9DFGqmy2aC7tHr4eMoxYG6qbIIWROzqBMoX0L+ayKWsEnx3iXVHScB630hkZ hkWkNkv38i3SGAC3LPtDssdrKimiGGVEW1qY0FouB465NYf39hB1GxDkb043bamG7dBz lhRb5aNUWyJgpj586Xkmo1OR3hLVCSc8aH9sTWkt1vtp0Jfx98MvO6ybK71gyjuSWQRK XP1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.69 with SMTP id yo5mr15425242obb.17.1335569141706; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.154.70 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <092518C9B5214244805F7D2022A4F663@multiplay.co.uk> <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Rick Macklem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Steven Hartland , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Andy Young Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:25:42 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Rick Macklem wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk" > > > > > My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is > > > its > > > installation structure : > > > > > > > > > It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution > > > directly as it > > > is . > > > > I disagree, we find quite the opposite; FreeBSD's current install is > > perfect > > its quick, doesn't install stuff we don't need and leaves a very nice > > base. > > > > Linux on the other had takes ages, asks way to many questions, has > > issues > > with some hardware with mouse and gui not work properly making the > > install difficult to navigate, but most import its quite hard to get a > > nice simple > > base as there are so many options, which is default with FreeBSD. > > > > In essence it depends on what you want and how you use the OS. For > > the way we use FreeBSD on our servers its perfect. So if your trying > > to suggest its not suitable for all that's is incorrect as it depends > > on what > > you want :) > > > I worked for the CS dept. at a university for 30years. What I observed > was that students were usually enthusiastic about trying a new os. However, > these days, they have almost no idea how to work in a command line > environment. > > If they installed FreeBSD, it would be zapped off their disk within minutes > of the install completing and they'd forget about it. > > They install and like distros like Ubuntu, which install and work the way > they expect (yes, they expect a GUI desktop, etc). > > When they get out in industry, they remember Linux, but won't remember > FreeBSD (at least not in a good way). > > Now, I am not suggesting that FreeBSD try and generate Ubuntu-like desktop > distros. However, it might be nice if the top level web page let people > know that the installs there are not desktop systems and point them to > PC-BSD (or whatever other desktop distro there might be?) for a desktop > install. > (I know, the original poster wasn't a PC-BSD fan, but others seem happy > with it. I'll admit I've never tried it, but then, I'm not a GUI desktop > guy.:-) > > Just my $0.00 worth, rick > > > Regards > > Steve > > Absolutely I do NOT have any idea against PC-BSD . My wish is that it should be much better than its current state . My suggestion is that it needs testing before its releases especially on bare metal with new and previously installed different operating system hard disks . Installation success on a VM ( Virtual Machine ) is very misleading because a VM is an artificial environment and it is supplying some services which they are not available in a bare metal machine . FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about what is going on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) . My ideas are about "parameters set by installation" for "desktop users" , not for computing experts . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk