From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 19 13:46:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD216A418; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FDC13C459; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p54A564CA.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.100.202]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E73F2E060; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701075B480D; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:45:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id l9JDjAxY080428; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:45:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:45:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20071019154510.qo8obs838co0csgw@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:45:10 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <82692.1192800033@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <82692.1192800033@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) / FreeBSD-7.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-14.9, required 8, BAYES_00 -15.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: arch@freebsd.org, "Constantine A. Murenin" Subject: Re: sensors fun.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0000 Quoting Poul-Henning Kamp (from Fri, 19 Oct 2007 =20 13:20:33 +0000): > In message <20071019151426.ttkynf788c0g8s4k@webmail.leidinger.net>, =20 > Alexander L > eidinger writes: > > Alexander, > > I'm getting pretty tired of this game of yours. I'm asking questions to understand what is going on. > Either you're not paying attention to what I write, or you are so > totally blinded by rage that you don't try to understand it. I'm not in rage and I was not in rage. > This is my last email to you on this subject. That's sad. > As far as I can tell, you have nothing to do with the actual code, We're talking about architecture here in this thread on arch, not =20 about any specific commits to the CVS. > apart from committing it without proper review and discussion, so I was willing to discuss this with you and others long ago, but you =20 stopped talking without any notification why. Then you stomped in =20 saying that you don't like the _idea_ of the framework without =20 pointing to technical flaws (you mentioned you didn't even looked at =20 the architecture). Now you tell me that you don't want to discuss =20 architectural things with me. Could you please tell me what I did to =20 you that you don't want to talk with me? > why don't you step out of the loop, and leave Constantine, who, > quite frankly, seems to have a better grasp of the subject than > you, participate instead ? You don't care to explain where my point of view of monitoring is wrong? >>>> What to do with sensors which aren't event based or don't have a >>>> predefined polling interval (e.g., temperature and humidity)? What do >>>> you think will the ratio be between the amount of sensors with and >>>> without something like this? >>> >>> They poll at whatever rate the application ask them to, (using an >>> ioctl ?) >> >> So you want to put the polling interval (=3D3D the polling policy) into = =3D20 >> the kernel (with e.g, an ioctl)? > > No, the "polling policy" does not end up in the kernel if the > application calls an ioctl that says "poll every 5 seconds". > > Look up the meaning of the word policy if you don't belive me. According to dict.leo.org: english german policy especially [comp.] die Richtlinie If you say "poll every 5 seconds" you give the kernel "die Richtlinie" =20 to look every 5 seconds for the sensor data and to provide it to the =20 application. Looks good to me in my language. As you don't like it: =20 feel free to replace every ocurence of "polling policy" with "polling =20 interval" in my questions. If you think those questions are not worth =20 being answered, I would like to know why. Bye, Alexander. --=20 I've got a COUSIN who works in the GARMENT DISTRICT ... http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137