From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 10 15:37:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A995537B401 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from si@chemicalterrorism.com) Received: from freebsd.demon.co.uk ([194.222.171.207] helo=chemicalterrorism.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 159Dr9-000HmJ-0X; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:38:52 +0100 Received: from sycho (sycho.chemicalterrorism.com [192.168.0.2]) by chemicalterrorism.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB2C5F444; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:37:35 +0100 (BST) From: "Si" To: Cc: Subject: RE: MTA authentications Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:37:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200106101336.f5ADa1U61233@lists.unixathome.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dan Langille > Sent: 10 June 2001 14:36 > To: Alex Zepeda > Cc: chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: MTA authentications > > > On 10 Jun 2001, at 4:50, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 11:43:44PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > I also meant to say that it appears that this new "standard" is not > > > backwards compatible. > > > > It is very much so. SSL is implemented via smtps (and depreciated), and > > is essentially just SMTP being wrapped with SSL. TLS has been > integrated > > fully into SMTP (forgot the RFC here) via the STARTTLS (STLS in POP3) > > command. > > > > Thus your MTA seems to be coerced into attempting an TLS > connection (this > > is advertised w/ the EHLO response)... and it's being denied. Likely > > because of lack of certificate. If your MTA didn't support TLS at all, > > you {probably,should} see a different error message. [snip] To answer your original post, i agree, these admins should not expect all mta's out there to support their stuff and the fact that a user of their domain is not aware that subscribing to mailing lists will bounce suggests the admin has 'just done this'. IMHO it's lame and theres no need with tools such as rbl etc... Si. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message