From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 18 20:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4C016A4CE for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout19.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89CD43D31 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:44:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050418204423.ZOLE2375.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com>; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:23 +0100 Received: from 9.hellooperator.net ([81.103.32.202]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050418204423.CKSE1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@9.hellooperator.net>; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:23 +0100 Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DNd6R-0001iW-1X; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:21 +0100 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DNd6Q-000Ids-TN; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:44:18 +0100 From: Dick Davies To: Matthias Buelow Message-ID: <20050418204418.GV46106@eris.tenfour> References: <4263280B.3010601@freebsd.org> <6.2.1.2.2.20050418020749.05761298@localhost> <002b01c5442c$d4a1caf0$9b00030a@officescape.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050418094749.057187f0@localhost> <007c01c5442f$c9a36ed0$9b00030a@officescape.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050418105722.05c08490@localhost> <011701c5443a$fbdfb060$9b00030a@officescape.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20050418112233.059694d0@localhost> <20050418190644.GU46106@eris.tenfour> <20050418200123.GA54548@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050418200123.GA54548@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Subject: Re: Will 5.4 be an "Extended Life" release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:44:25 -0000 * Matthias Buelow [0401 21:01]: > Dick Davies wrote: > > >All the grief with 'x depends on y and z, z needs i' and all that rubbish go > >away with portupgrade in my experience - I tend to hook openldap into everything, > >and that gets upgraded fairly regularly. On netbsd it takes an afternoon to clean > >up the mess - portupgrade was a big reason for me to give freebsd another go, just > >because of how it simplifies package management... > > You know about "make update" in NetBSD's pkgsrc? pkg_add -u(u) > should do the same for binary packages. Yeah. Have you used it (make update, not tried pkg_add -u)? There's been some discussion on disabling it because in some ways it can be a liability. It's got a buttload of problems, including the fact it deinstalls the old package before checking it can even build the new one. It also usually wants to rebuild all dependant packages, which can take half a day on a low-powered box. In my personal experience, it does'nt compare to portupgrade, and it's rendered systems of mine unusable. -- 'Interesting. No, wait, the other thing - Tedious.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns