From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 16 23:07:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0C1065694 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (smtp2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AA38FC16 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nox.student.utwente.nl (nox.student.utwente.nl [130.89.165.91]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id o7GN6jge028786; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:06:45 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: "Hartmann, O." Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:06:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4C666786.6000205@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <201008162113.36731.pieter@degoeje.nl> <4C69A704.5080109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4C69A704.5080109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201008170106.45377.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact icts.servicedesk@utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Ivan Klymenko , emorras@xroff.net, Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:07:32 -0000 On Monday 16 August 2010 23:00:52 Hartmann, O. wrote: > On 08/16/10 21:13, Pieter de Goeje wrote: > > On Monday 16 August 2010 16:50:01 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > >>>> I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this. > >>>> To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and > >>>> that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported. > >> > >> how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD? > >> We've been trying to "raise awareness" for years.. > > > > So did we for the nvidia driver on amd64. > > > > I'm not saying that we will be successful, I'm just saying if they're not > > even aware of this need that it will never happen. > > > > - Pieter > > I think they are aware, but the number of users is very, very low. Since > modern 3D accerlerated and GPGPU capable drivers are developed > dominantly under Linux, BSDs lack in modern > architectures like KMS necessary running those modern drivers, so in > case of the 64Bit video drivers it could be more a lack in the > underlying technical infrastructure than the low number of users. But I > do not know. > > Oliver The amd64 driver was an illustration of something where raising awareness or whatever you might call it actually helped IMHO. Unfortunately this is a chicken-and-egg problem. No HPC users means no demand means no incentive to do something about it means no HPC users ad infinitum. But I'm sure you're already knew that. - Pieter