From owner-freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Wed Jun 14 23:45:25 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CA7BF6241 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@me.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76297CFA0 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@me.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A3574BF6240; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: fcp@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1004BF623F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@me.com) Received: from st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com (st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com [17.41.193.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CBE37CF9F; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@me.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com by st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0ORK005006KO1900@st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com>; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:45:18 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=04042017; t=1497480318; bh=H1MwqaCaWHT+mX9lCgOZ1Jcf0XEgG+7DOTkgzZBrTsk=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=tYyQ/1eR3Nrb/7gOdog1WqxzVT42dLtWVZOl2DR2Rnqhh/zBQGZwq8OA8NvtRYExc WKh99na4m1Js4QkT5GUKTLgi2w/a9+YNHfOiAhfhe3fC4sZ5hhpYDEYz5vOcy8HOuH RKXlOgytbmhw/RET0ad2WwMs+YfBXMTDbAI4BJGKOnYyfusLtgPVi5hP5X15zzeTWA zrPVZ3CQmhvvPoYF5DFVp5PoEc2NW0UdgPBLE8xIFMbmdwAdTzYyLQCIYRXisvIbo6 X1w/jR5kETA0Y1KSfWjLlrbNEaiL8WikpkX5GeqL9VDDT6k+dSz8HHezOkCWzpSrl5 TT2/84F1h2jug== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0ORK00DFF77GUY10@st13p97im-ztdg18291001.me.com>; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:45:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2017-06-14_06:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1034 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1701120000 definitions=main-1706140377 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.0 \(3436\)) Subject: Re: Announcing the 'FreeBSD Community Process' From: Rui Paulo In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:45:15 -0700 Cc: fcp@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Developers Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <536D30FA-42CF-4F7F-9AE3-70B0822977C3@me.com> References: <539e27d3-4eca-463a-75d4-667d3fec90f6@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3436) X-BeenThere: freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Community Proposals List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:45:25 -0000 On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:20, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > It was explained at bsdcan the the vote is primarily for "this repents = the general consensus" rather than, this is the direction we should go. = If the fcp doesn't match consensus then it will be voted no. That=E2=80=99s what you think will happen, but the FCP doesn=E2=80=99t = say anything about that and the interpretations of the community and = core might be different. It just seems like a bad model for core to try to interpret everyone=E2=80= =99s feedback and then vote on it. If people provide feedback and say = something like =E2=80=9CAPPROVE=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CNEEDS = DISCUSSION=E2=80=9D, it will make the process much more transparent. The vote should come from the people providing feedback. I see no = reason why core needs to vote on other people=E2=80=99s feedback. =E2=80=94 Rui Paulo