From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 19 23:31:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A49E16A4CE for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:31:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF2443D45 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:31:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A003985674; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:01:53 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:01:53 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20041219233153.GI84787@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20041219223801.GG84787@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UthUFkbMtH2ceUK2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 422 cc: Daniel Johansson cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: My server gets kernel panic every 7th day X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:31:57 -0000 --UthUFkbMtH2ceUK2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Please don't quote out of sequence. On Sunday, 19 December 2004 at 14:44:22 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > On Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:38 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Sunday, 19 December 2004 at 23:35:18 +0100, Daniel Johansson wrote: >>> It can still be the PSU, don't have any other atm to try with. I'll >>> do some more testing and see if I can get any more info. >> >> There's no point looking at the hardware until you've looked at the >> dump. > > If I may interject, why should he bother? So he can find out what the problem is. > Seems to me his next step should be setting up a new server with a > fresh FreeBSD copy on it, duplicating the 3 jails, then firing off > the 4 periodics and seeing if that blows up. This would take a lot of time and money. And if it blows up, it doesn't buy him anything: he still has to find the cause of the problem. If it doesn't blow up, he doesn't know whether it's going to stay that way or maybe reappear in a while when the constellations are right. Why should he want to do that? > If so that is enough info to file a bug report, and he can then > simply adjust his script so that the periodics aren't all run at the > same time. This is a *VERY* bad idea. If there's a bug, you should fix it, not hide it. Working around it is the Microsoft Way, and hidden bugs often come back to bite you. > If someone else wants to spend the time researching this - like YOU > for example - then great. Why should I want to do it? > From the Project's point of view, his problems aren't interesting > unless they can be reproduced - and from his point of view all he > wants to do is fix the problem - and he now knows how to do it. > (run the periodic weekly at different times) Hiding a problem doesn't fix it. > Grubbing around in a dump traceback does not prove that a problem is > reproducible. He's already proved that the problem is reproducible. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. =20 For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --UthUFkbMtH2ceUK2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBxg9pIubykFB6QiMRAutbAKCJgn2QSGfjhVjiIKkM2gXlZppZnACgmGgu fvYEeXsY7xu+iwdGUuKaGH4= =Lwbi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UthUFkbMtH2ceUK2--