From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 23 7:57:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [206.223.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7938D37B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from realtime.exit.com (realtime [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3NEvVcN078052; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by realtime.exit.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3NEvKwn020474; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@realtime.exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by realtime.exit.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3NEvJeL020473; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <200204231457.g3NEvJeL020473@realtime.exit.com> Subject: Re: Security through obscurity? (was: ssh + compiled-in SKEY support considered harmful?) In-Reply-To: <200204231212.34754.j.kossen@home.nl> To: Jochem Kossen Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Joerg Micheel , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: frank@exit.com Organization: Exit Consulting X-Copyright0: Copyright 2002 Frank Mayhar. All Rights Reserved. X-Copyright1: Permission granted for electronic reproduction as Usenet News or email only. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL95a (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jochem Kossen wrote: > It does work. But i think you mean the tcp connections. > Does that mean you vote for enabling _all_ services? They don't work out > of the box as well... This is ridiculous. You know as well as I do that that's _not_ what Greg means. Just don't change stuff out from under the users. > > And don't tell me that X11 is an add-on and luxury. > I agree, but the tcp connections IS an add-on luxury imho Wrong. It's the way it works. > > We are living in the 21st century. > That's right, the century of virii, DoS attacks, worms, and > scriptkiddiots. Then fix the security holes at your end and leave the rest of to fix them the way _we_ want to. Don't impose your "fix" on the rest of us by fiat. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message