From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 5 9:23:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ADD37B484 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15HNHo53339; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g15HNH603801; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:23:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200202051723.g15HNH603801@vashon.polstra.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: A question about timecounters In-Reply-To: <90115.1012928854@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <90115.1012928854@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <90115.1012928854@critter.freebsd.dk>, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <200202051706.g15H6pp03714@vashon.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes: > >In article , > >John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> > like, "If X is never locked out for longer than Y, this problem > >> > cannot happen." I'm looking for definitions of X and Y. X might be > >> > hardclock() or softclock() or non-interrupt kernel processing. Y > >> > would be some measure of time, probably a function of HZ and/or the > >> > timecounter frequency. > >> > >> X is hardclock I think, since hardclock() calls tc_windup(). > > > >That makes sense, but on the other hand hardclock seems unlikely to be > >delayed by much. The only thing that can block hardclock is another > >hardclock, an splclock, or an splhigh. And, maybe, splstatclock. I'm > >talking about -stable here, which is where I'm doing my experiments. > > Try swapping so you use the RTC for hardclock & statclock. > > Let the i8254 run with 65536 divisor and do only timecounter service. > > That would be a very interresting experiment. Agreed. But in the cases I'm worrying about right now, the timecounter is the TSC. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message