From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 11:03:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC21106567B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B611F8FC17 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp121-45-54-50.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net [121.45.54.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m82B3kwC002927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:47 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Claus Guttesen" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:27 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <48BB4FEB.1050906@gmail.com> <200809021912.38401.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2462860.TtqyxuQP5z"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200809022033.41657.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.212 () BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Volodymyr Kostyrko , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: moving sysutils/fusefs-kmod to base system X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:03:50 -0000 --nextPart2462860.TtqyxuQP5z Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Claus Guttesen wrote: > > This has several advantages > > - You don't upgrade the port unless you want to when building a > > kernel. - If the kernel API changes you find out because the port > > doesn't compile then you can make an informed decision. > > - You don't need a working network connection to rebuild your > > kernel. > > > > > > By ports do you mean the ports-system? If that's the case you're I mean something in /usr/ports. > mixing the basesystem with applications. The separation of basesystem > and apps is IMO one of BSD's strength. Why not use portupgrade for > that purpose? Then why allow ports to create & install KLDs at all? This would cause /usr/src to reference an outside source (ie somewhere=20 in LOCALBASE where KLD source would be) but since the user already=20 opted to install a port KLD it seems reasonable. I did get told that in theory you shouldn't need to rebuild port KLDs on=20 a release branch because the ABI shouldn't change.. That's a bit=20 unsatisfactory because people run -current where this guarantee doesn't=20 apply, and it isn't an iron-clad guarantee anyway :) Basically it seems to me that it would have no drawbacks and prevent=20 people from forgetting to recompile stuff which could hose them down=20 the track.. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart2462860.TtqyxuQP5z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBIvR2N5ZPcIHs/zowRAu3mAKCL5TCLOYyEvzMgysO/bbZpAP5kAgCdGFBX xMifgQH1sPZoVpBjk+8aAdk= =DGXz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2462860.TtqyxuQP5z--