From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 27 13:34:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [63.86.88.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860E937B423 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 13:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 447BE756B; Sun, 27 May 2001 13:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319A91D89; Sun, 27 May 2001 13:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Fredrik Olausson Cc: Jordan Hubbard , jmallett@xMach.org, dscheidt@tumbolia.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The desktop apathy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 27 May 2001, Fredrik Olausson wrote: : :On Sun, 27 May 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: :> Again, Apple is trying to fight a much bigger battle. I think you :> should spend some time getting better acquainted with Apple's rather :> unique user base and mindset. : :I guess so... I'm a Windows programmer by profession (hears chants of :"Burn the heretic!" ;) : :> The programming :> frameworks provided by Apple also make anything GTK and QT provide :> look like tinkertoys by comparison. Just spend about an hour with :> their AppBuilder stuff sometime and see how you can connect stuff :> graphically to ObjectiveC classes. Very powerful. : :Speaking of which, If I buy a copy of MacOS X, will I get development :tools and such along with it, or do I have to buy a third-party :product? I've been meaning to get me one of those G4's and MacOS X to test :it, but where can I get the programming tools for it? A friend of mine bought a new iBook at the Apple store in Tysons Corner on Friday. The free OS X upgrade (and future bundled versions) will not ship with the Developer CD. The Mac OS X box does ship with the Developer CD. I guess Apple only wants people who upgrade their old Macs to do developement. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message