From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 29 05:16:24 2006 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB2016A4DD for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D732343D45 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:16:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so42016uge for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QxVsAQZS3QcYqYQ1a331Oxc2hEsXCt85Swj67nqOsGnzOoe2N1cN/DVkz7IHEw6BGHbfh54fCDHhVLIwnaC5XSJQLiSit6Tm1qXTeIZiDawd7+Sxv1Zq9R55cKFRQ5XxwGGJFn4uTmfPDnEauBOSX3uai56UASQn0OLpeYW5bzg= Received: by 10.78.139.5 with SMTP id m5mr31426hud; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.143.11 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <ef10de9a0607282216v6948bdf7yaf5ab133d1966df7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:16:22 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton@gmail.com> To: "Xiao-Yong Jin" <xj2106@columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <87slklj9hu.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060728164526.E27679@ganymede.hub.org> <df9ac37c0607281319s5da0f64ese5fa57df1ef11a4d@mail.gmail.com> <ef10de9a0607282139i51fdde5ch58525fa3347364d2@mail.gmail.com> <87slklj9hu.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:16:24 -0000 On 7/28/06, Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu> wrote: > "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton@gmail.com> writes: > > > On 7/28/06, Atom Powers <atom.powers@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 7/28/06, User Freebsd <freebsd@hub.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out > >> > there running 1 or more FreeBSD boxes to go to > >> > > >> > http://www.mreriksson.net/uptimes > >> > > >> > register all of your hosts, and install /usr/ports/sysutils/uptimec and > >> > get it running ... > >> > > > People like me who only use FreeBSD on the laptop would certainly give > much shorter uptimes. Okay, I just wanna say, it's very strange to a > mobile/desktop user. > > >> > >> Heh. You won't get more than a tiny percentage of hosts that way; I > >> believe most of us, even those on this list (which is nowhere close to > >> the total user base), don't care to be listed. > >> > >> My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal > >> use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing > >> and exactly zero that I will actually list. It's not that I don't want > >> to help, but I'm not going to run a process like that on a production > >> server. > >> > > > > What about sending something as simple as uname -mr? > > > >> uname -mr > > 6.1-STABLE i386 > > That's it. > > > > > The only way this idea will work is if we put some code in the base > > system that sends something generic every few months. for example. > > Send 'uname -mr' to stats.freebsd.org every 3 months. It would be very > > easy to 'opt out', perhaps stats_enable="NO" in rc.conf. > > > > Alternatively we could make it 'opt in' at install time. The installer > > could add stats_enable="YES" to rc.conf when someone answers yes. > > > > The actual code to implement this is trivial, something like a few > > lines of shell script and a config file that lists the next send date. > > This config file can be checked during the monthly periodic and if > > needed trigger the stats script to send the anonymous data and update > > the next send date in the config file. If the stats script can't find > > a path out it should update the next send date and then die. > > We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and > portsnap server, can't we? > Yes and no. Not all cvsup servers are under the control of the FreeBSD project.... but you are right, they could log the release tag and more. 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