From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 31 13:21:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from maildns.FSBDial.co.uk (maildns.fsbdial.co.uk [195.89.137.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC65D14C8D; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dlombardo@excite.com) Received: from [212.1.144.43] by maildns.freenet.co.uk (NTMail 4.30.0008/NT0619.00.8ceac940) with ESMTP id tlwpgaaa for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <3752EFC6.95357F1B@excite.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:23:34 +0100 From: Dean Lombardo Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami , mladavac@metropolitan.at, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a two-level port system? (fwd) References: <55586E7391ACD211B9730000C1100276179631@r-lmh-wi-100.corpnet.at> <199905311410.HAA51369@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > > @ It is large. Ok, so it's 44MB (the first poster had the size > completely wrong -- probably had some distfiles or work/ subdirs > lying around). That's less than 20KB per port. Ok, so you can > keep only the Makefile, or even less, and let the network do the > work for you whenever you type something. But does anybody have a > system that has such a wonderful network connection but yet can't > spare 44MB of disk space? Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Now, the problems are: >> >> @ It takes a long time to...what? cvsup the tree? That's already > > to install the port distribution. it's the slowest part of the install > process. developers may not experience that, but all other > users (who buy the cd) do. I'm sorry if I got the size wrong - I must have forgotten to exclude the distfiles directory, although I must say that /usr/ports certainly _feels_ a lot bigger than 44Mb... Also, isn't there some penalty for storing a large number of files less than the size of a fragment? A typical pkg/DESCR file may only be 22 bytes in size, but it still occupies at least 512 bytes on disk. So is 44Mb the _actual_ size of the whole thing, as stored on disk, or just the sum of individual file sizes? I agree with Luigi that the slowest part is the first-time installation of the ports tree. I normally get download rates of 1Mb/sec from src.doc.ic.ac.uk, but sysinstall slows down to 10Kb/sec when it comes to installing the ports. FreeBSD also seems a bit slow when dealing with lots of small files. Dean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message