From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Sep 13 19:10: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CA937B400; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEA243E6E; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:09:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crispin@crisweb.webcentral.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.139] (c16424.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.67.43]) by mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8E29uw02938; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:09:56 +1000 Subject: Re: Why are messages to this list appearing in *.freebsd.questions ng's? From: Crispin Bennett To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: Warren Block , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20020914004945.GS25003@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <1031964297.262.32.camel@jupiter> <20020914004945.GS25003@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 14 Sep 2002 12:09:46 +1000 Message-Id: <1031969387.248.42.camel@jupiter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 10:49, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I think you should learn to express yourself more appropriately in > public. What are you objecting to? The language or the content? If the latter, there's some justice to your complaint. I've just scanned back and realise I did totally miss the mark -- statements that were intended at the time to be angry but jocular hyperbole do look like somewhat violent statements. So I retract all those, and offer my apologies if they've given offense. If you mean the use of words like "fucking", I won't give an inch there (you'll just have to block me from the list if you disagree). A few decades of US corporatocracy and TV doesn't wipe out our centuries-old right to use our own language, in public, in exactly the way the world's English-speaking population does use it all the time. And if you think my language is outside of common norms, you're just not getting out enough. Believe it or not, most of the world does not consist of middle-class white guys in suits. We don't have to have their narrow minority norms foisted upon us. > For one thing, this message will also be archived. For > another, we don't tolerate this kind of language. Please either adapt > or leave the list. I won't adapt my language. I *will* agree never to use obviously bad language, for example words like 'leverage' and 'legendary' and other such corporate toss-pottery. But swear-words to express anger are legitimate and appropriate. > Delivering this kind of retribution in Australia would also prove to > be an expensive business. True. Again, a rhetorical flourish which was represented pretty poor judgment on my part. Anyway, I shall shut up about the issue now. This has been quite enough rant for a technical forum. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message