From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 22 21:08:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2502A7F; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B97B8FC15; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAML86jK008126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:08:06 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.100] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:08:05 -0600 Subject: Re: old style kernel configuration MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:08:03 -0800 Message-ID: References: To: Chris Rees X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-22_07:2012-11-22,2012-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Devin Teske , Eitan Adler , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Benjamin Kaduk X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:08:08 -0000 On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Chris Rees wrote: >=20 > On 22 Nov 2012 18:56, "Wojciech Puchar" = wrote: > >> > >> > >> How is it simpler? > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > strange question i thought it is obviously clear. > > > > $EDITOR config > > config > > cd ../compile/ > > make depend > > make > > make install > > > > > > that's all. and no need to keep whole /usr/src, just sys > > > > what is wrong in it? >=20 > I was only confused because you had asserted that six commands was simple= r-- >=20 I can relate to Mr Puchar's vantage point. It's not the number of commands, it's the pathos. Memorizing how to configure a custom kernel, one can memorize two different= pathos: =3D=3D=3D A =3D=3D=3D I have to make a config file I have to use the make(1) utility within a full src-tree to produce the ker= nel from that config I can't remember the arguments to make =3D=3D=3D B =3D=3D=3D I have to make a config file I have to use the config(1) utility on my config file The config(1) utility tells me what to do after I run it, I do what config(= 1) tells me =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D In both A and B, we start with a config file. Things differ from there. I do buy the argument that B is simpler than A, despite the fact that B req= uires more commands than A. B can be thought-of as simpler because I only h= ave to memorize three things to get a kernel: (1) start with a config file,= (2) run config with said file (3) follow the instructions that config give= s me. Meanwhile, in comparison, A requires the memorization of different an= d arguably less accessible information. One might even be able to argue that the pathos of B is simpler because it = relies on a purpose-built tool (config(1)) to get you where you want to be = versus a multi-purpose tool (make(1)). Just my tuppence. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.