From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 19 16:54:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E691137B406 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6C76ACC0; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:24:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:24:33 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Adam Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Message-ID: <20010620092433.F60710@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200106192117.f5JLHsS11182@supernova.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106192117.f5JLHsS11182@supernova.dimensional.com>; from element@Dim.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 03:14:17PM -0700 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [following up to -chat] On Tuesday, 19 June 2001 at 15:14:17 -0700, Adam wrote: > unattributed wrote: >> BSDI or CSRG did the contract work, according to my sources; >> so you might want to ask Kirk or Mike Karels, since you are >> more connected to them than we are (e.g. same building, etc.). >> >> My sources are a former BSDI employee from way back (lawsuit >> days and before), and another person. >> >> The FTP utility contains the copyright string (run "strings" >> on it). Several other standard tools have similar copyright >> strings in them. > > An article over on www.Kuro5hin.org by a someone who claims > to be a former MS employee describes the stack used in NT back > in the early 90's as code which was liscensed from a company > called 'Spider'. This must be Spider in Edinburgh, Scotland. > In the comp.unix.admin archives I found a post which references > Spider QNIX as a *nix variant The Spider I'm thinking of had nothing to do with QNIX. They made custom communications software. At Tandem we used their X.25 stack. I didn't know that they also did TCP/IP stuff, but it's plausible. > so I'm pretty sure this is who the article is referencing. Anyway > this code in turn was pulled from BSD back in the day... It's ambiguous at best. > "...Along with Spider's stack came versions of various > TCP/IP-related utility programs, It's possible to read into this that their stack was primarily non-TCP/IP, which would fit. > such as ftp, rcp and rsh. Those were ported from BSD sockets to > winsock (not a huge change) and bundled with NT." > > I don't know how much faith you can put in it, but its an > interesting read. I found the following snippet to be quite > curious... > > "And implying that the TCP/IP stack uses BSD code is also > false. As I said above there may be small vestiges of it > in there, although I doubt it. There's little to go on here one way or the other. > Anyway the FreeBSD programmers who reported all this to the Wall > Street Journal can't see the NT TCP/IP source either, so they can't > have been referring to that." This sounds like a content-free statement. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message