From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 10:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDAD37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2389343F93 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from salty.rapid.stbernard.com (corp-2.ipinc.com [199.245.188.2]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5031B30A; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr.com To: Brooks Davis Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:26:41 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <006601c29cab$ec3a9c80$0100000a@D9NLZD0J> <200307221757.35027.wes@softweyr.com> <20030723010344.GA18028@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> In-Reply-To: <20030723010344.GA18028@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307291026.41713.wes@softweyr.com> cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:26:49 -0000 On Tuesday 22 July 2003 18:03, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:57:35PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > Those mostly use Micro-ATX form factor boards. Some of them are > > getting dirt cheap, too; a local screwdriver shop advertises one > > with a P4 for $499 these days. Wowsers. Probably a crappy > > motherboard, but toss in another $100 for a good mobo & power > > supply and you've got yourself quite a 1u system. Then just wait > > for them to overheat... > > The Iron Systems A110's are Via C3's on mini-itx boards. I've got > four of them. They definaly won't overheat. If anything, they are > over cooled. They are quite loud. If you do buy a 1U box, make sure > the vendor does real thermal testing. It's hard to cool something > that small and there's a lot of crap out there. Yeah, no kidding. I build 1u appliances for a living. We stuff 5 of them in a cardboard box and run the ambient temp up to 120 degrees then let them bake for 5 days to do our temperature testing. We instrument the one in the middle of the stack with 5 temperature probes to check for hot spots. We're doing our first hard-disk based design right now and keeping the disks from cooking off is going to be a real challenge; we might have to drop the temp to 105-110 degrees F. Mini-ITX based 1Us are a great idea. Good to hear Iron Systems is still out there leading the way. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com