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Date:      Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:04:07 -0600
From:      Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
To:        marino@freebsd.org
Cc:        Kurt Jaeger <pi@FreeBSD.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r422114 - head/misc/fortune_strfile
Message-ID:  <0057723D-3DDE-4B15-BD4D-CFEF5D247F98@adamw.org>
In-Reply-To: <7829a82e-7f83-33d1-54b5-fca53d072f4f@marino.st>
References:  <201609140545.u8E5jeBH058686@repo.freebsd.org> <eb09770a-b234-f889-2f2c-d6127ab76cc7@FreeBSD.org> <40537f68-1d2b-194c-55d5-b133d743ed3e@marino.st> <20160914123128.GA32707@lonesome.com> <20160914164020.GD23634@fc.opsec.eu> <7829a82e-7f83-33d1-54b5-fca53d072f4f@marino.st>

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> On 14 Sep, 2016, at 10:49, John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st> =
wrote:
>=20
> On 9/14/2016 11:40, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>> Hi!
>>=20
>>> My own opinion is that 4814 is way too many.  And, I don't buy the
>>> argument that some have made that "unmaintained ports are better
>>> maintained than some maintained ports".
>>=20
>> We have the data to go from opinion to knowledge by analyzing
>> the commit logs etc. Analyzing it is difficult, but maybe it helps
>> to find out where we stand.
>=20
>=20
> I don't think that's necessary to get the actual numbers.
> While it's clearly true that some unmaintained ports (aka maintained =
by ports@FreeBSD.org) are better maintained than a significant number of =
maintained ports, I think most people would agree having a maintainer is =
the best situation.
>=20
> In this particular case:
> 1) I don't maintain any fortune ports
> 2) I don't use any fortune ports
> 3) I don't care if all the fortune ports are deleted
> 4) The port is about as trivial as they come.
>=20
> I was only fixing a problem that I identified that should have been =
fixed long before.
>=20
> If there was a rule that said I had to maintain the port for 1-week or =
1-month or even 6-months, then I'm just dropping the port the next day =
after the expiration period.  It's better to give somebody that actually =
does care a chance to adopt it (the most likely being one of the fortune =
port maintainers).
>=20
> Finally, most of the games ports are intentionally unmaintained.  =
Since strfile has its origin in games, I really didn't see a distinction =
with fortune_strfile and any of those games.

Hi,

This whole argument is kindof silly. John is being told that ports =
should be maintained for a minimum arbitrary amount of time that's up to =
the committer, but that he didn't pick the right minimum arbitrary =
amount of time that was up to him.

I agree with Mark that the PHB doesn't need to be an endless collection =
of rules that cover every possibility, but I disagree that this =
particular issue doesn't belong in there.

I will agree with Mat that 1 day is not enough time, because somebody =
needs to have ownership if users report problems that the committer =
didn't think of. That said, John is very responsive and if users =
reported problems I have no doubt that he'd address it quickly and =
properly.

The PHB should say:

The right amount of time that a new port should be maintained is at =
least long enough to verify that there are no build failures on any =
platforms, and that end-users have had a chance to report failures that =
they encounter in real-world use.

# Adam


--=20
Adam Weinberger
adamw@adamw.org
http://www.adamw.org




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