From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 7 12:23:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E2E16A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37B743D1F for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i27KNrla095921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:23:53 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i27KNrsn095920; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:23:53 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:23:53 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Donald Turnbull Message-ID: <20040307202353.GC94564@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Donald Turnbull , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20040307194914.24719.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jousvV0MzM2p6OtC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040307194914.24719.qmail@web41202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040304, clamav-milter version 0.67j cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation - More user friendly X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:58 -0000 --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:49:14AM -0800, Donald Turnbull wrote: >=20 > Does the folks of FreeBSD has any plans to make installation more user fr= iendly for the newbie or the non-tech minded user for example like Red Hat = or Mandrake Linux installation? The point for technology is to make people = lives easier right? Oooh. That's a can of worms you're opening there. Careful lest it blows up in your face. Plans exist aplenty. Talk is cheap. See, for instance the libh project stuff -- http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html -- which was a nice idea in many ways but has entirely failed to produce any results for about the last two years. What is missing are concrete pieces of code: applications that work. If you think you can do better than what we have presently, you are very welcome to submit samples of works in progress. On the other hand, your contention that FreeBSD installation is user-unfriendly particularly for the nieve user, is not entirely born out in practice. Most people take a few minutes to get used to the way it works, and then find that they can navigate around the menus and get things done very effectively. You'll also have a great deal of difficulty persuading experienced users that they need a glitzy X based installer which won't work over a serial line connection, and that doesn't permit the same flexibility as the current sysinstall(8). Style palls very quickly unless it is backed up by substance, but substance makes up for any amount of lack of style. Anyway, this is a topic more suitable for freebsd-advocacy@... Reply-to set appropriately. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAS4TZdtESqEQa7a0RAhRcAJ97EziT1S/y+RsZNKjGIY9gwCyf8wCfbS3J me8ah+6Lr+RydWbPDgGbRZg= =kVD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC--