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Date:      Mon, 9 Jul 2012 02:28:52 -0400
From:      Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
To:        Avleen Vig <avleen@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)
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<<On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:16:04 -0700, Avleen Vig <avleen@gmail.com> said:

> I could care less about the resolver daemon itself, I agree with what
> you're saying and I don't think most end users will care about that.
> But getting rid of dig and host in base would be bad.

I don't think it's as bad as you suggest, although I do think they we
would likely get a few black eyes from just the same.  After all, as
Doug says, people can just install the bind-tools package.  So long as
there is *a* tool in the base, even if it's not the two we all are
used to, that's sufficient for the purpose of doing enough
troubleshooting to get package installs working.

I think the embedded people have a better argument, but that's
probably still not strong enough versus the benefits of making this
change.

(The black eyes will come from reviewers saying "WTF, FreeBSD! How can
you not have host and dig?!" without bothering to read the release
notes or investigate ports that they might want to have installed.
The fact that this same crowd always installs sudo from ports will not
prevent them from being astonished.  I think there's a good case to be
made for having a set of packages that are installed by default by the
installer unless you disable it -- in my lab, we'll be wanting to
install puppet -- and bind-tools is probably one of them.)

-GAWollman




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