From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 06:28:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F17106566C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (wollman-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C690F8FC15; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q696Sq9C047061; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 02:28:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q696SqLQ047058; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 02:28:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20474.31268.853744.138344@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 02:28:52 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: Avleen Vig In-Reply-To: References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:39:09 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Doug Barton Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:28:54 -0000 < said: > I could care less about the resolver daemon itself, I agree with what > you're saying and I don't think most end users will care about that. > But getting rid of dig and host in base would be bad. I don't think it's as bad as you suggest, although I do think they we would likely get a few black eyes from just the same. After all, as Doug says, people can just install the bind-tools package. So long as there is *a* tool in the base, even if it's not the two we all are used to, that's sufficient for the purpose of doing enough troubleshooting to get package installs working. I think the embedded people have a better argument, but that's probably still not strong enough versus the benefits of making this change. (The black eyes will come from reviewers saying "WTF, FreeBSD! How can you not have host and dig?!" without bothering to read the release notes or investigate ports that they might want to have installed. The fact that this same crowd always installs sudo from ports will not prevent them from being astonished. I think there's a good case to be made for having a set of packages that are installed by default by the installer unless you disable it -- in my lab, we'll be wanting to install puppet -- and bind-tools is probably one of them.) -GAWollman