From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 20 21:25:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F2DC4C6AF for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm15-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2B0C16C8 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479676970; bh=2DpgGAL5DwygjEB0NGNEbzifsvdR2/x1YpRY2olE1yk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=pTVPLox+K1eDnkx1fObaiMj6EJP695l/gABIHi7SoAlP1lDszeSoU5EQNt8g+hMt2H3Jbxn+OfTxJjprNu2Pbc3JmP0YqIbsxZIOCqnkvB/lEuOSo1JO2FM7tkRbYECs3NnHydtBubo7OYOJNq/ugGVWTKb03BaOx74Tliz9Bd9xPRTmB+EfVp3/gYIGypBRsz6zrIGH/YhcflLsKuyYl7eVCu28pqQ5ccRY8Mg5oABFPvyEcJ6EW1KsL2M0zuThpKDpTq3KnI7L4MlLrNiDqp2cO5jygRdd4H33ySjcEwyk85LLd9ue/oi/7PPEpdpz31TS1VORvZa4nIOxC1Iu8g== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm15.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2016 21:22:50 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.74] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2016 21:22:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2016 21:22:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 580802.45092.bm@smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qwaKIu0VM1l0L4sC1ybMaBo9pFfD5qrNdt1LkH0GNtoKMTs gJGmSwrcPTj0Z27WE7kteLhmw5g6YAs85UGJQB6HCaN2LTC2nS548wuriRb9 IxGceywsevO9KbFEQO.WSx8ldD4rHg8bL91wbgf8pRs2HvjRwy0FBBcdElyz WKW2zMapcQcuxtF8UDxvo0mKLLJnVJ0TeCaLg9Iei89xOezIz6k.FXipHh5l VXs_xi8IRhm4l53RhXe.R_IS3iQJ970EXhO4WUxu5cG7uSU99c40fSt6HF61 rf89k.POhjCBOEtoCqO8jPcHS1mlIQWRD8EMEdl3uiLznS9KXe2XrjbWjrIk Fw0YD9RZ.w9SB2sleRlUgtwKdAytVGw2mFQzsdCyeabMS547e0H69Q.YbRI_ 1Wpp2b0akW_dFB_v3hJu1GLCt__4PDfLUkQVjM3N1Hr2R.0WOuzPFUuk59RR Z5tnIO2AL56v1mdvXS5k3bq8diehPj72ZVsl6IVbH4AmcZj3aVpur.4cpX9L edsEy6mJmqoLwE6N_7A_3nsH5IbmnEyYjOiS0PXU3PWwbGGjrmN21I0CmU3z SNRYbk2EznV2MfHuN_FCqVTYuZ0QR X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:22:49 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161120222249.05a75d9e@moonstudio> In-Reply-To: References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> <86zikv5mqu.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <5831FE03.2030207@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-17-gc95de2-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-ubuntu-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:25:44 -0000 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 13:53:16 -0600, Marius Schamschula wrote: >Microsoft has a pattern of doing this sort of thing: > >See under SGI Fahrenheit (3D rendering) and Intergraph, to just name >the two I=E2=80=99m most familiar with. > >Microsoft sucked out all the IP they could get and then dropped the >=E2=80=9Ccooperation=E2=80=9D with the other company, leaving the other co= mpany with a >broken standard. Somebody already ask us, to stop this off-topic discussion. A quick search didn't show me an off-topic FreeBSD mailing list. However, there's https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic subscribing shouldn't be required, to post to this list. Here in Germany nobody is forced to use anything related to Microsoft. Computer users are free to chose what they want to use. In some domains Microsoft might be market leader or at least close to it, this means that a lot of people by free will like Microsoft's offers. Microsoft is just a big, bad company. I agree with this. Microsoft follows their own interests. That's capitalism. I don't like capitalism. The difference between true arguments, why Microsoft is as evil as most likely any other big company is too and a conspiracy is misrelating arguments. Microsoft is evil, because of some valid argument. Microsoft donates money to Linux. Most huge Linux distros migrated to systemd. Let's mix all this and add some untruth to it. Fortunately we still have an OS of integrity, FreeBSD. Let's ignore that FreeBSD can't be used for all tasks and ignore how much Linux software is available for FreeBSD, so there's no reason to use anything related with Microsoft or Linux. If people still use e.g. a service provided by Microsoft, despite of all we know about the Microsoft and Linux conspiracy/conspiracies, this is another evidence for the conspiracy/conspiracies. IOW the conspiracy is underpinned by itself. Ten or hundred people on a mailing list agree with it, others don't reply. R=C3=A9sum=C3=A9: Most people confirm that there is such a conspirac= y. The conspiracy now is truth. This is how populism works. Regards, Ralf