From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 16 11:38:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2D61065672 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F32B98FC25 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 56596 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 11:38:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Followup-To:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2YbHJT2oo2aojHeA4koLxrcQr/EJhoaZYCyjh21p8TDqyK036ah6okkHhyRZfAiMwTNntZRCHLwnk6M1/mnoaS7NzT9utzh01Vtmyyxcu/t8KMRL2aBEAh6GbV8V5Y7loRvqIsOnSZjsXtkpfnbszzkhM5gxEJTcrfwvxQ5OJ0c= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 03:38:42 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: V_P0W5oVM1l6XZMngLCgz9OXGhZ5V2XdSO.UvO9pUNBP7yeTcGKO4h5W8WVX0v9WhIch72C7KPnxIfarbb3cy.My1yu3PpouXCgZorEGNh1AEIziFyocB5S9RpxKul4u6Oh4hzUJqO.kmn8KJVuWdC46BIjZaUC0oro5cMMDRSDyWlOnBulPmDE2GcY4eNQsoRJ56ZdC1lTTto71QR2icQ.37HAwBVNUjs30lovVxXZ9zVfM1Wpohmcj28GojYVwOT1yGBJ1H8OAURyhGuEQNR6NoRfdm9691fDncjrP_s3fX2seYT1rjEFbjy26UJA9VsUfw5PFVH_lY9XKtM1tRA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BD7222838 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:38:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:38:42 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091116063842.27411cd8@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <42052.1258327169@tristatelogic.com> <4B009370.1040002@otenet.gr> <20091116010630.0b8f498a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4B009B08.3070507@otenet.gr> <20091116014149.f7d6eafd.freebsd@edvax.de> Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:38:44 -0000 On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:18:36 -0700 (MST) Warren Block replied: >On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:28 +0200, Manolis Kiagias >> wrote: >>> Just the fact that I now have to edit an xml file to simply add a >>> Greek keyboard layout is annoying enough. >> >> The fact that annoys me is that configuration seems to have >> disassembled into several parts that are not located in a >> central file (such as xorg.conf has been); I have no problem >> with editing text files if I need to, but now it's getting >> somewhat complicated - I'm not confortable with the fact that >> FreeBSD is (getting) complicated, I always loved it because >> everything is so simple. > >But xorg is not FreeBSD, so this is an unreasonable statement. >FreeBSD is simple. X has never been particularly simple, and the fact >that complexity grows over time is nothing new, either. > >> But I am not complaining! :-) I've been told that those changes >> are absolutely needed to design the creation of new software >> more efficiently and cheaper; this is often confused with "bloat", >> but it's not, it's evolution! And there's no way around. > >Of course there is: if you're happy with the state of your software, >stop there! Don't upgrade. Don't replace what's working with >something newer. > >That option is usually more difficult than it initially seems. The >rest of the world tends to keep on evolving. > >> I would be more happy if things would really get better, or >> even not worse, but sadly, they seem to. Software gets slower >> as well as less accessible - Gtk 2, used by many programs, is >> a good (bad) example. Am I supposed to buy new computer to replace >> perfectly running systems just to keep the "overall usage speed" >> of everything at the same level? > >As above, you don't *have* to upgrade. Keep the old software, and the >old hardware will run it. > >Like everybody, I grumble about changes that don't seem to improve >things at the user level. But I try to remember that without change, >nothing can improve. > >It's also worth remembering that open source projects like xorg give >the users the rare privilege of being able to make a difference. Test >code, provide hardware, document bugs or fixes, do or fund development. If that were true, it might be worth noting. Unfortunately, it rarely works like that. I recently started using a Logitech wireless mouse/keyboard. Of course the mouse did not work in "X", although it performed fine outside of "X". After investing valuable time in Googling for a solution, I ended up editing files for HAL and adding Section "ServerFlags" Option "AllowEmptyInput" "OFF" EndSection to the 'xorg.conf' file. Honestly, that is not acceptable. On every Windows and MAC system I tested, the combo works without this garbage. It just works. No drivers to install, unless I want the extended capabilities of the keyboard/mouse. Why does it have to be so freak-in difficult here. How the hell are we suppose to entice potential users to non Window's platforms when a simple thing like adding a keyboard or mouse to a system becomes a challenge. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Do unto others before they undo you.