From owner-freebsd-net Sun Jul 7 14:26:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C7737B401; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C003643E4A; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kimokasawa@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:26:52 -0700 Received: from 68.49.49.165 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:26:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.49.49.165] From: "Kim Okasawa" To: brunner@nic-naa.net Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Methods to detect Internet censorship. Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:26:52 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 21:26:52.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[02FFD730:01C225FD] Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Eric, I'm neither for nor against Internet censorship. I am just working on a research project that needs information on which US sites are being blocked by certain countries. I don't want to get into the discussions of whether censorship is good or bad. All I want is to find out, technically, is there a good way for me to detect/monitor censorship remotely. Thank you. Best Regards, Kim ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine To: "Kim Okasawa" CC: brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: Methods to detect Internet censorship. Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:16:50 -0400 Oki Kim, When I worked with the NIC for the PRC last year several classes of abuse caused concern for network operators. To give two examples, a common browser caused packet flow to North America, generating cash drain from the PRC to the US, adding functionally unnecessary "overseas bandwidth" cost to the network operators. The underlying cause was a bug in UTF-8 handling, and also a US-centered business model. These problems (bug and business model generated consumption of expensive trans-pacific network resources) existed concurrently for all Asian network operators. The second example, specific to the PRC, was undertaken by an agency that is funded by the United States. Radio Free Republican Morons or something along those lines. They were hosting "political speach" (if you are for it) or "stuff that kills children" (if you are not), take your pick as to the better characterization of the content. You know, all of the ccTLD NICs are on-line. They all get email, and most respond to reasonable requests, and asking if, what, even how they engineer crap (and I don't know how else to characterize the WSJ editorial page) out of the traffic they carry, is reasonable. Now, could I interest you in some addictive non-smoking nicotine products targeted for Asian females ages 8 to 12? How about opiates on-line? We live on an increassingly irresponsible internet. Anyone confusing access to some "news" product in the US with responsible operation is confused. Kitakitamatsino, Eric _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message