From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 4 14:58:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237AD1065673 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EA78FC0C for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q44EwRTD006506; Fri, 4 May 2012 16:58:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q44EwQM5006503; Fri, 4 May 2012 16:58:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:58:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120427203117.GA2055@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <4FA12980.6080101@cs.stonybrook.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 04 May 2012 16:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Richard Yao , Jerry McAllister , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk , Andy@freebsd.org, Young Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 14:58:30 -0000 > Not really, no. I was referring to the practice of starting a gazillion > services by default, including dbus, avahi, ftp and http services, > file sharing components, and all the rest of the stuff that is now > commonly installed as part of a "Linux desktop". SELinux is indeed > one form of hardening, but I wasn't referring specifically to it; exactly > the opposite, in fact. Without running unneeded things there is no need to "harden". In spite of FreeBSD having quite a lot of extra security features, i don't really use more than standard unix security and jails, it is not really needed. FreeBSD do this (almost) right - default rc.conf doesn't ruch much, but still too much. no idea why inetd is run by default, with no services but anyway.