From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 14 20:24:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00AF1065672 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1488FC1D for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so136413wwb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TDHY/9BJTlXeF0x6yh5NIHd3ZmZ4kHMUrwjS2hjQ2Ao=; b=K+6lTMJQ2ieEvf9C5sn4KcYEuIhi/k1bXzclrXxtRF8ogGTA4KGl5P27yyy/2B/24v nqZX9BQVB8eEwWOu8zbFoWH9zxokL+OA3ET31qMeN/PQoKNv2gxe8rRZizU632iLlkiQ qsW76WeQzEBjYb8LHrdXc90t5R+wo/RqrLK8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dp6fvZjGaYQxFIYK2TV0yylQd5CFR/RWafws8LUmH0OZJh5pd5DofiOokSnYiyQ0dD 7xo6qLz7qPxFMqNUcKT1Ad4erDRVhfilDv8URiC8IDKQC60mHPnZ/PG7uk0db9VaFxw5 nrROx3yJoNOXa/UqwzzAU29ohfQ+pwv7j7/i4= Received: by 10.216.11.66 with SMTP id 44mr366531wew.69.1284495890569; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o15sm439921wer.15.2010.09.14.13.24.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:24:32 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100914212432.2a64d5b3@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:24:52 -0000 On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:11:10 -0400 Jules Gilbert wrote: > A typical FBSD user wants to be able to do a ports-based install, or > perhaps a pkg_add and, presto, out of the box, have a browser. > > And, here it comes... Wait for it. > > Without too much trouble, have a running Java, connect to that browser > and working. And it doesn't matter if some of us like or don't like > Java. It's here and it's staying here. In ten years, and probably in > twenty years, it will still be an important part of a typical OS > environment. > > I understand that Sun declined to allow pre-built configurations to be > shipped. Okay. Personally, I haven't used java for a long time (or even noticed its absence - unlike flash), so I 'm a bit behind the times. What's the is the problem? If they are stopping pre-built packages then that presumably just means the end of the diablo ports. Before those port existed I don't recall the plug-in situation as being any worse than slightly irritating. Is there more to it than that?