From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jul 11 09:10:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17271 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.intrastar.net (root@linus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17229 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jake.fuck.org (pmnac1-23.inu.net [208.129.167.25]) by linus.intrastar.net (8.8.5/TerraNovaNet) with ESMTP id LAA03588; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:06:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33C65AFA.684DB59A@linus.intrastar.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:10:35 -0500 From: Jacob Suter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis CC: Ulf Zimmermann , Stephen Roome , shovey@buffnet.net, danf@JadeTech.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.32.19970710174542.00b08500@etinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well its two seperate markets. Some people do not/will not trust a router card, or it would not be best in their situation. I was just saying its cheap and it works. Not saying that it outperformed anything else. ComOS is really idiot proof, I hear the ET cards aren't quite that easy but easy enough for people that understand FreeBSD and routing. Also, if you are recieving your support from a third party (or your upstream) they may not consider a router card a 'supportable' situation. JS dennis wrote: > At 01:00 PM 7/10/97 -0500, Jacob Suter wrote: > >ISP Price for a Livingston OR-HS (T1/E1 capable office router, > unlimited > >IP's, doesn't do BGP4 but everything else including OSPF) for $649 > ISP > >price... Nice box based on the 386SX/25 running standard Livingston > >ComOS > > A real screamer! ("capable" is the key word here). You could plop a > $795. card into your freebsd box and get expandability and a lot > more horsepower. Even our $530. card will blow away a Livingston. > > Dennis > > > >JS > > > > > >Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > >> > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Steve Hovey wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Daniel C. Fifield wrote: > >> > > > I run an ISP in Wisconsin and we are planning an upgrade from > a > >> 56KB line > >> > > > to a T1 line. My ISP recommends using a CISCO router. I am > >> looking for > >> > > > alternatives and experience using the CICSO router. > >> > > > >> > > I love my ciscos - its all I will use! Not too long ago, we > had a > >> cracker > >> > > attack an older cisco, rendering it useless. Their tech > support > >> stayed on > >> > > the phone and got me upgraded to a new operating system and > >> crackerproofed > >> > > in a very short time! > >> > > >> > CISCO's customer support might be great when one of their pieces > of > >> > equipment begins to show it's age/vulnerability, I'm not sure > >> however that > >> > it's the best advertising or reason to buy a Cisco. > >> > > >> > I still really don't understand why folks with only a T1 line > insist > >> on > >> > buying a separate router, we have E1 here and have a dual port > >> serial card > >> > and a mux. It costs the same to add onto a pc as a Cisco, you > still > >> get > >> > tech support and the PC that runs it doesn't do anything else or > >> fall over > >> > ever. > >> > >> Why ? Because what ever system you run your T1 off, PC or SGI or > >> whatever, > >> if it is not a dedicated router, people tend to run other services > off > >> it. > >> If you run other services off it, you tend to modify it (for > example > >> reboot). That brings down your whole T1 line. I thought long about > it, > >> > >> as I started with just a Fractional T1 Frame Relay line for myself > and > >> > >> decided at that point to go with a Cisco PC card. It is a complete > >> router, > >> it just takes power from the PC and a com port emulation for the > >> console > >> port. Even with this solution I power cycled the box it was in too > >> often. > >> > >> If customer ask me today about a standalone router or a PC card, I > >> often > >> tell them to get a router like the Engage routers. a T1 with CSU > >> version > >> cost $995 for ISPs. It has no large option in routing protocols, > but > >> as an endpoint, they don't need much. The reason I tell them this, > it > >> is > >> a standalone box. A black box in the corner. No one is going to > touch > >> it. > >> > >> > > >> > Besides, why learn how to use a Cisco router, when you can have a > > >> *BSD box > >> > do it for you for the same price/cheaper, but with a lot less > hassle > >> if it > >> > goes wrong. > >> > > >> > Check out www.etinc.com and www.sdlcomm.com to name two. > >> > > >> > Anyway, > >> > > >> > Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. > >> > Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 > >> > WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Ulf. > >> > >> ---- > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: > 510-769-2936 > >> Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: > 510-521-5073 > > > > > > > > > > > Emerging Technologies, Inc. > Quad, Dual and Single Port > ISA and PCI Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD, > NetBSD, OPenBSD and Linux > Standalone Routers > Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager > http://www.etinc.com > sales@etinc.com > (516) 271-4525