From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 22:33:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4C610850AA; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8917443E; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ler-imac.local (unknown [IPv6:2600:1700:210:b18f:24ab:a49d:f09f:2576]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ler/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 314BE1C7AF; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:33:34 -0500 From: Larry Rosenman To: blubee blubeeme Cc: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= , Hans Petter Selasky , Johannes Lundberg , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD current , mmacy@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , pmcnary@cameron.net Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 Message-ID: <20180826223334.i4bc4pmux5gojzbq@ler-imac.local> Mail-Followup-To: blubee blubeeme , Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= , Hans Petter Selasky , Johannes Lundberg , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD current , mmacy@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , pmcnary@cameron.net References: <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> <86d0u5otu4.fsf@next.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ui23l4cp3frw7avh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:33:36 -0000 --ui23l4cp3frw7avh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 06:21:57AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >=20 > You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for any > users not on the bleeding edge. >=20 > You technically adept guys can keep on hacking away, jumping through hoops > and building your stuff as you see fit. > Nobody will come take your steal your code away in the night. Feel free to > keep on working on it, until implementing it > doesn't break "old users" do the engineering work and improve your > implementation. >=20 > There are so many seemingly dead code projects around this linuxkpi stuff > that you guys just pump out code and abandon > inconsistent lack of documentation, lack of testing, it's just a huge mes= s. >=20 > Work on cleaning all that stuff up and bring something sensible to the > table, you cannot put onus on the core team to maintain > that mess going forward because you're not capable of doing it yourselves. If you don't like breakage, don't run HEAD/-CURRENT. If it's not out in HEAD/-CURRENT, we (the project, speaking as a ports committer) can't move forward. =20 --=20 Larry Rosenman https://people.FreeBSD.org/~ler/ Phone: +1 214-642-9640 E-Mail: ler@FreeBSD.org US Mail: 5708 Sabbia Drive, Round Rock, TX 78665-2106 --ui23l4cp3frw7avh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQHBBAABCgCrFiEEHjgknedhWzvJgwVzaXyZsatIp30FAluDKr4tFIAAAAAAFQAP cGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JnbGVyQEZyZWVCU0Qub3JnXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlz c3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9wZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxRTM4 MjQ5REU3NjE1QjNCQzk4MzA1NzM2OTdDOTlCMUFCNDhBNzdEAAoJEGl8mbGrSKd9 S5IH/1K1gAdz+y2slJ1bVUTtgCTBKWtAmhJiUIr23YS+9ZhEau0qJWQWPFg5VpCw cUpT52X3A2RuRFtO5QekW8l0crO7cqaEU/whGbMM67sTbE5Ue07ECiS7qYTpJcoG TMdU8tSB2pAAj6/czCj8GzHC8IYuyUu/A6m5dyzLTNgtt3GO6swB6jamFGBUYH6f 1Wfl6TMbzI8M7vW6CJgIidaKyFaoMxJLEFenmbOwSAkcSp7BH6GLmh2chE8/PXV+ yaX5XgYGsKoGlO2vHuFPcrne/PlzzPIfusqZpENke2OVqIlY5mpwssRsBL0WzMkz HZKj5wJ0788uo4KpYqtJXtjvtt0= =6XlB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ui23l4cp3frw7avh--