From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Nov 7 19:43:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942E82D00FF for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 19:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CT72z34t7z3jxp for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.229.168]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id bU6xkas2FRAWfbU76k3mMw; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:43:05 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=P9aEOgMu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5fa6f8c9 a=7AlCcx2GqMg+lh9P3BclKA==:117 a=7AlCcx2GqMg+lh9P3BclKA==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nNwsprhYR40A:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=UqCG9HQmAAAA:8 a=roR305RrAAAA:8 a=3o_ryrvFAAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=QcvYA3P2AAAA:8 a=s1G7sxBSAAAA:20 a=K4HRG1VaAAAA:8 a=YHlGs8m63dbaJSpAt6wA:9 a=SUs5MqG2FB3tFLod:21 a=sv1Oxz2tAaq9utrq:21 a=odifvBaH6o0fwyKz:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=t4LEjE6RO2J5zC2UCm8o:22 a=x_m7zy6PQUh5VwygeEAS:22 a=qC_uOcfT6gq3vvnpL1gK:22 a=9OzdYP4VBAw7nzWmEG9z:22 a=Z5ABNNGmrOfJ6cZ5bIyy:22 a=QOGEsqRv6VhmHaoFNykA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [IPv6:fc00:1:1:1::5b]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5401D1FA; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 11:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 0A7Jgqcn056298; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 11:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <202011071942.0A7Jgqcn056298@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: "Peter Czanik (pczanik)" cc: Franco Fichtner , Cy Schubert , FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: In-reply-to: References: <202011071539.0A7FdMmj052814@slippy.cwsent.com> <6E6B60B0-DE59-4F2B-B612-07F7B505AF58@lastsummer.de> <202011071725.0A7HP9rm003300@slippy.cwsent.com>, Comments: In-reply-to "Peter Czanik (pczanik)" message dated "Sat, 07 Nov 2020 19:25:23 +0000." 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I'll start the migration this week. Expiry will be end of year. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. In message , "Peter Czanik (pczanik)" writes: > --_000_SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0SA0PR19MB4272namp_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > > I try to address all questions, points in a single e-mail... > > syslog-ng vs. rsyslog: yeah, rsyslog is the default syslog implementation i= > n most Linux distributions. It has a historical reason: syslog-ng is open s= > ource originally, but once the commercial variant was released a decade lat= > er, developers needed to sign a CLA for a while, what Fedora and Debian did= > not like. The CLA was quickly removed after I joined syslog-ng, but decisi= > ons were already made by the distros. Based on user feedback from both camp= > s: it's easier to put together a simple config in rsyslog, but once things = > get complicated a syslog-ng configuration is easier to develop and maintain= > . On the feature side they are more or less the same. What I see, that rsys= > log is often used on the client side, while servers use syslog-ng. The two = > largest syslog-ng platforms are RHEL/CentOS and FreeBSD. > > syslog-ngNN ports: changing it to a single sysutils/syslog-ng is OK with me= > , depends on the demands of the FreeBSD community. On the Linux side I got = > strong complaints even when I tried to delete five years old packages for R= > HEL and SLES and for long EoL Fedora releases... > > @version: well, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes defaults change, features are r= > emoved, etc. The version number here makes sure that syslog-ng knows for wh= > ich version a configuration was originally prepared and can give warnings, = > suggestions, based on this information. In some cases you can avoid a failu= > re with this version number (I'm only aware of this on openSUSE, which used= > an undocumented syntax that was removed). So, yes, it can be useful, but i= > t can also be a PITA. In most cases it is safe to remove it. Or just leave = > it alone, as starting with syslog-ng 3.26 (or 3.25) syslog-ng does not warn= > about the version number any more, except when there is an incompatible ch= > ange. > > Bye, > CzP > > Peter Czanik (CzP) > Balabit (a OneIdentity company) / syslog-ng upstream > https://syslog-ng.com/community/ > https://twitter.com/PCzanik > > ________________________________ > From: Franco Fichtner > Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 18:46 > To: Cy Schubert > Cc: Peter Czanik (pczanik) ; FreeBSD Ports reebsd-ports@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not fol= > low guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sen= > der and know the content is safe. > > > > On 7. Nov 2020, at 6:25 PM, Cy Schubert wrote= > : > > > > That's not needed. The proposal is to replace the syslog-ng port with the > > contents of syslog-ng329 and deprecate the others. Those using > > sysutils/syslog-ng will see no change. Those using older versions will ne= > ed > > to replace syslog-ngNN with simply syslog-ng. > > Actually I was referring to this: > > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.= > com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslog-ng329%2Ff= > iles%2Fsyslog-ng.conf.sample%23L1&data=3D04%7C01%7CPeter.Czanik%40oneid= > entity.com%7Ccef4a3e509b24d86051b08d8834518cf%7C91c369b51c9e439c989c1867ec6= > 06603%7C0%7C1%7C637403680090752323%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw= > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=3DqwnHa= > e2mELjvjsuiFoCGlhQ0izfDKLkYlNfFOtOTnGU%3D&reserved=3D0 > > Also a question for Peter. > > > Cheers, > Franco > > --_000_SA0PR19MB42721A7847ED759F186301578BEC0SA0PR19MB4272namp_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > >
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