From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 30 15:49:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CB516A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5A343D41 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:48:48 -0700 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 4A6855D08; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:48:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Wesley Morgan In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:39:16 EDT." <20040729213847.T96671@volatile.chemikals.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:48:47 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040730154847.4A6855D08@ptavv.es.net> cc: Dan Langille cc: Ray Seals cc: FreeBSD Mobile Subject: Re: new laptop suggestions - not the usual stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:49:01 -0000 > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:39:16 -0400 (EDT) > From: Wesley Morgan > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Dan Langille wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Wesley Morgan wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Ray Seals wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 19:27, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > >>>> Ok folks, I know that this comes up from time to time, and I know very > >>>> well the FreeBSD laptop compatibility list (which rocks!), but I think > >>>> this case is different, and here's why. > >>>> > >>>> I am looking for a new laptop that has the following features: > >>>> > >>>> 1) pointing stick in keyboard *THIS IS A MUST* > >> > >> These are sadly becoming harder to find, despite their obvious superiority > >> to the "touch pad". I was very put off when Toshiba dropped their > >> Satellite Pro line that featured this! I'll have to hang on to my current > >> laptop forever. > > > > IBM are committed to the stick I think. > > Yeah but the keyboards on thinkpads suck. All springy and stiff :) Odd. We have always used ThinkPads in my organization and the keyboard is the one reason IBM has won the last two times we have evaluated laptops on the basis of their excellent keyboards. I did a bit or research into them and IBM actually did human testing to determine the what trained typists liked in terms of force required, length of key travel and tactile feedback and designed their keyboards accordingly. I have loved mine from the first time I used it, though I won't claim to be a trained typist. My only issue with ThinkPads is the price and I've always found them to be worth it. A happy 560, 600E and T30 user. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634