From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 17 23:09:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEECE0C480 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F12471F1F for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 409FACB8CF7; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:09:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 76.193.16.42 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:09:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <58939.76.193.16.42.1505689766.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170917230229.378686f0@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20170917214321.8fd2157b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20170917225042.abab307c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20170917230229.378686f0@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:09:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Disk not spinning up From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:09:33 -0000 On Sun, September 17, 2017 4:02 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:50:42 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >>> The best approach is to per-warn up the drive hardware before trying >>> to power it on. Put a bear light bulb or shine a flood light from a >>> close distance on to the metal covered side, IE; not the circuit >>> board side, until it gets almost to hot to touch. Then power it on >>> and and away you go almost every time this happens. >> >>I will definitely add this as even more help. > > Usually it's worn out hardware from too many spin downs and spin ups. I > doubt that aged lubricants are the cause. I agree. Ages back harddrive manufacturers started using "lubricant free" bearings. Often lubricant is a composite part of exterior of the bearing. In precision equipment even if liquid lubricant is used it is such that does not change viscosity. If is is capable of gradually evaporating, it is evaporating as a whole, without leaving residue, and without changing its properties when partially evaporated. E.g. old mechanical watch makers used "bone oil". When drive spins, as the center of mass is slightly off the axis, shaft presses in all directions. Uneven wear even with very uniform bushing material, is promoted if hard drive is positioned vertically (i.e. axis is horizontal). That is why I did my best to avoid hardware with hard drives positioned vertically. Wort mode of wear is when bushing becomes elliptical. You can hear rattling noise (excessive vibration) sometimes when that drive spins. As minimum energy of spinning body is when its center of mass is on axis of rotation, there is chance that platters will maintain nice rotation once they are brought into that state. That is why knocking on one side (in direction ortogonal, or slightly diagonal sometimes helps to spin it up). Another likely thing is small particle caught where there is narrow gap between stator electric magnets and magnetic surface of rotor. Often these dirt particles are ferromagnetic, so the will never leave that area on their own. As you, Mr. Polytropon, have disassembled the drive already, hence have nothing to loose, try to clean that if you manage to access that area. Good luck! Valeri > > . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++