From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 23 13:29:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8931637B401 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8792143F3F for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.249.216]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030223212939.BEQK22825.lakemtao04.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:29:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030223150804.019c87f0@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:30:04 -0600 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ] In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030223123659.01965b20@threespace.com> <00bc01c2d93e$452d1f60$0502000a@sentinel> <4.3.2.7.2.20030221181620.01b7ded8@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030223123659.01965b20@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:56 PM 2/23/2003, Darren Henderson wrote: >"jive" was as much a dialect as any other popular vernacular is for its >time. Its certainly not based of a centuries old stereotype. Its more >recent then hippie/flower child speak, beatnik, etc. And its no different >then the vernacular of present day MTV, hip-hop, or club crowd (insert >any subculture here that you like [subculture being a component of the >whole culture not a diminutive]). This is not true. "Jive" was originally a form of swing-out style dancing that originated around the turn of the century and became immensely popular during the big jazz explosion of the 20's. Since both the dance style and the music were born in the African-American community, the term "jive" is inextricably associated with African-Americans, despite the fact that the current usage has spread around the world. (See http://www.centralhome.com/ballroomcountry/swing.htm and http://ky.essortment.com/historyofjive_rklw.htm for more information.) The re-emergence of the term in the 70's in many black sitcoms (e.g., "Good Times" and "The Jeffersons") only helped to solidify that association. But the term existed long before hippies and beatniks to be sure. --Chip Morton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message